Hi All,

I recently got hold of this frame and bits for a restore project. I got a bit confused when looking for replacement decals as I could only find some that were about a 90% match. I'm a bit unsure as to the actual model and would like some clarification and help identifying it.

These are the current decals:


The frame sticker says "P10LS 62 4939080". The first few numbers on the bottom of the bottom bracket are pretty corroded but the others I can make out are "Y605 50580" and the decals I've seen of the few examples online are completely different, so pretty confused really!

The nearest example I can find online is this one from the 1985 catalogue:


Here are some of the other pictures of the frame:

Interesting. I've never seen those decals before. That's a strange bird.

Welcome to C&V Ed.

If the label says "P10LS" you can bet your bippy it's a P10LS.
I agree that frame is a good candidate for new pint & decals, but inspect the frame first for any wrinkles/crash damage since the unpainted fork is likely a service replacement.

I dunno, that looks like a Peugeot fork and they made a lot of bikes with chrome forks. That's one of those internally brazed frames they did in the eighties. I'm stuck in the seventies, so I have nothing to contribute.

That fork is a good match for the service fork that came on one of my Raleigh GP's. (I painted it - see below).

Also - I've never known a white paper Peugeot label to be wrong - (the problem with them is that they are often missing) and while there were plenty of Pug's with all-chromed forks, I think they were all depicted as such in the catalog pages.... SO CHECK for crash damage before investing any $ !

I don't own one currently, but IME the internally brazed Peugeot frames were pretty good frames.

Thanks for your feedback so far, I have checked the frame over for cracks etc especially around the BB and the HT areas. All seems fine thankfully.

The main thing that's causing me confusion is the rainbow stripes just the colours Red, Orange, White... No yellow stripe! I'm not looking to do a 100% accurate restore on the bike however it has got me curious with the rainbow stripes, as the all the bikes I have seen with these rainbow stripes from ~1985 are white, yellow, orange, red etc...

Edit!
The forks on auchencrow's Raleigh are a bang on match from what I can see.

I'm guessing that since you're in the UK, there might have been some slight differences in colors/graphics than that which is shown in the US catalog - but I'm guessing.
There are some extremely knowledgeable Peugeot people here who might be able to comment - but in any case, it's probably academic, because coming up with exact-match repro decals could prove challenging.

Does the fork have a seam in the back of the legs? It has the rounded "shoulders" typical of Peugeot forks. It doesn't look in the picture like the Raleigh fork does.

Hi Grand Bois sorry for the delay in replying,

To answer your question no there is no seam on the back of the fork legs, I've attached some more pictures of the forks if it will help:

Looks like a mid to later 80's derivative of the PH10 so Your P10LS identification might be a correct, or a very close one. I agree with GB about the fork crowns. Peugeot Carbolite 103 forks had the same tree pointed feature where the fork legs go in and the rounded. shoulders on the crown. The Carbolite 103 fork legs also had a very obvious seam (more like a square edged groove) at the back of the legs. Maybe they eliminated this seam by the mid 80's whe I think this bike was built.
It's sort of a base level sport model from Peugeot, but a very decent quality bike that should ride very well and is worth modding up with a bit better components than Peugeot originally installed on it that will further improve its performance.

Chombi

Thankyou for your help chombi that has made things alot clearer.

I do have one more question though as im still quite new to the classic bike era, what is the difference between campag and shimano downtube shifter mounts, as in is ther any difference in shape of the lugs brazed onto the frame? As im trying to work out which sort i have on this frame, the source of my confusion is that the majority of the brazed on mounts ive seen are circular with two flats either side allowing the shifters to slide & screw on. However the downtube mounts on my frame (as shown in the OP) are completely circular?

Also in a moment of weakness/lack of experience (oooh.... shiney things) I did buy a pair of Shimano 600 ab levers without thinking, assuming it would just be a case of using a spacer to take it off the band on mount and mount it directly to the frame, can I still do this?

1986 P10LS 62cm more than likely with a replacement fork.

Unfortunately, I never owned a bike with Shimano specific shifter DT shifter mounts on it, but IIRC, there is a difference with the Shimano mounts that do not let their shifters work with other mounts unless they are specifically designed to do so (My Vitus Carbone with "regular" non-Shimano proprietary bosses had DA 7400 shifters on it originally.) Not sure exactly what the difference is, but it might be the diameter of the mounting shaft and/or/maybe the threading of the shifter mounting bolt. Somebidy here must know and can clarify that for you.

Chombi

Ok, I think I've narrowed down different types of boss braze on mount:

A campagnolo style boss has with a square backing plate to the frame, circular mount that protrudes to a two-way keyed end, such as that one shown here:


A Shimano type braze on or 'B-type' braze on, has a circular base with a lug protruding from the side. Finishing in a relatively similar shape to that of the Campagnolo braze on (however may also have a different thread to that of the Campagnolo):


That however leads me to what I have on this Peugeot, which has the same backing plate as the Campagnolo boss, but doesn't have the same type of mounting spigot as it has no notches in the side, it is just a cylindrical tube:


Any ideas what sort of shifters this would take as it doesn't have the notches?

Its the dollar store version of 'Campy' style.

My '84 PH10L does have the seam at the back of the fork legs.
I would agree that it is a nice bike and lighter than many people realize. My 58cm with tubular wheels substituted came in at 22.1lbs. However, it is the bike which gets the fewest miles, and while it fits & rides well, nothing about it really stands out. If you have a collection I wouldn't spend too much on this one.

Simplex Criterium.

Dont they have odd sized threads? The Op's bike should take any Cmapy compatible shifter.

It may not be the same boss as on my PA10. I couldn't find anything but certain Simplex shifters to fit. It's an earlier model, though.

I just did a quick fit-up to check, thread-wise they screw in fine so there's no issues there. (Pics below) I used the original boss plates that were left on the frame as a spacer, although I have ordered up a curvedshifter bosses plate to just do a double check as it was only £1.



I'm actually a bit worried now if I've cocked-up and have the wrong shifter levers!

I know this is quite an old post but I'd be very I nterested to hear how you got on with this bike. Just acquired the exact one myself in great condition for a very reasonable £60. Cheers.