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F red 06-03-13 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Citoyen du Monde (Post 15699937)
The example of the allen wrench in my view is poorly chosen insofar as there are many variables beyond the sole 3.5 mm size. The "Campagnolo" allen wrenches were I believe made by Pastorino to very tight tolerances and are of a particularly high-quality temper, something that you cannot necessarily say about a generic allen wrench. Furthermore because the screw is inlaid, you must also be sure that "reach" of the allen wrench is sufficient for the application.


I see no indicator that the allen key for sale is genuine Campagnolo or high quality product. It seems to be an item with no sentimental value, no collector value, and only of utilitarian value.

If you take a look at the item, it in fact seems to be a very low end generic allen key, with a cheap dull black oxide coating that is already scratching off from just handling, and the ends do not appear to be machined like most quality allen keys are, although the picture is blurry. It appears to be standard size as well and no mention of what kind of steel or heat treatment. A single quality allen key should still not cost more than $5.

I'm not denying that all tools are not the same, but I stand by my statement, the $20 price is because of imperfect knowledge in the market, and is not fair market value. If I got conned by a used car salesman, just because I paid the price does not mean that it is fair market value.

Here is the link for reference: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-3-5mm-al...item4173d6ff7a

For reference a genuine Campagnolo allen key: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-O...p2047675.l2557

I'm fine if the seller values his time and expertise at $10, and it isn't worth selling an allen key for less than $10 profit. But in a fair market, with perfect knowledge, he simply wouldn't sell any allen keys. I don't make any money riding bicycles either. Just because someone pays a price does not mean that that is fair price, market price, etc.

Six jours 06-03-13 06:54 PM

JFWIW, I was spinning wrenches at the LBS when deltas were popular - well, semi-popular - and we quit using the Campagnolo tool because it rounded out too easily. We ended up ordering a a handful from the hardware store down the street, and they did the job.

So while I agree with with the idea of paying for good quality tools, this particular instance doesn't make for a good argument.

IMO, people buy $20 Delta wrenches for the same reason they buy $400 Delta brakes: they don't work especially well and are kind of a pain in the ass, but hey, they're "Campy cool"!

Six jours 06-03-13 06:56 PM

Oh, and I dunno if I mentioned this already, but the local crit rats (me included) would pop out the "jewels" from Cobalto calipers and replace them with the little plastic "eyes" containing a black "pupil" that rattled around inside. Wish I still had some; I could apparently put them on Ebay for a couple grand.

F red 06-03-13 07:02 PM

Googly eyes?

That's pretty funny.

onespeedbiker 06-03-13 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by F red (Post 15699999)
I see no indicator that the allen key for sale is genuine Campagnolo or high quality product. It seems to be an item with no sentimental value, no collector value, and only of utilitarian value.

If you read the description it never states that it is a Campagnolo allen wrench, only that it is a rare size.


Very rare odd size allen key that is never available when you need it
These are not for sale in your local home or big box stores in this size
3.5 mm allen key is the odd ball size necessary for almost all of the generations of Campagnolo delta brakes

One either believes this or they search ebay and discover you can buy 100 for $23.00 with free shipping..http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...at=0&_from=R40

mudboy 06-04-13 06:10 AM

My $900 Samsung dishwasher (which has turned out to be completely mediocre) uses a 3.5mm allen key for the levelling mechanism...and they didn't include a $%^#@**(! $1 allen wrench with the damned thing.

There's a standard Torx size that fits.

Pete

Six jours 06-04-13 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by F red (Post 15701180)
Googly eyes?

That's pretty funny.

Yeah, that's it. I couldn't think of the name.

I should probably suffer some kind of torture for all the now-collectable Campy stuff I mangled in my racing days. Not to mention the Super/Nuovo/C Record stuff that simply got thrown away because it had been used for a season of racing...


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