Acquired Holdsworth - build date?
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Acquired Holdsworth - build date?
I have acquired an orange, 56cm (c-c), Holdsworth with 700cm wheels.
The S/N is 047139; the frame tubes are Reynolds 531. It has Dia-Comp brakes
It has a decal that reads: HOLDSWORTHY, made in Oakfield Road, London, England.
Can anyone out there give me some words of wisdom regarding this bike.


The S/N is 047139; the frame tubes are Reynolds 531. It has Dia-Comp brakes
It has a decal that reads: HOLDSWORTHY, made in Oakfield Road, London, England.
Can anyone out there give me some words of wisdom regarding this bike.
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Lots of Holdsworth info here: https://www.nkilgariff.com
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I also have a Holdsworth with the very same decals (which could mean nothing) but mine is early to mid 70s and a friend has an 80s holdsworth that does not have the gold circle decal but I'm also not sure when 531st reared its head mine is just 531DB
also early 50s/60s I believe) holdsworths used a actual head badge and 70s ones seemed to just use the decal type badge
also early 50s/60s I believe) holdsworths used a actual head badge and 70s ones seemed to just use the decal type badge
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I'd put the "decal head tube" models later than mid-70s, but exact date is hard to say, I know that by '78 they were using the decal (not the metal badge) but I have a Super Mistral that supposedly is a mid-70s that still has a metal badge...however, I must say I'm not convinced my bike is as young as mid-70s.
If the 531 decal is original (probably so) the ST (Special Tourist) designation and that style decal came into use around "the early '80s"...maybe '81 is a good working guess.
If the 531 decal is original (probably so) the ST (Special Tourist) designation and that style decal came into use around "the early '80s"...maybe '81 is a good working guess.
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The head "badge" decal and the decal with the gold laurel match those on my 1981 Holdsworth Professional. Is the gold laurel decal located at the bottom front of the set tube?
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^ Ouch - too bad about that top tube dent!
Overall, it presents well, however. These are nice frames; I'm joining the "early 80's" chorus, too.
DD
Overall, it presents well, however. These are nice frames; I'm joining the "early 80's" chorus, too.
DD
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T-Mar has been pretty active here in the past few months, and he's a genius but I don't think even a genius can decipher the Holdsworth/Holdsworthy serial number "system"...if you can call it that!
If T-Mar has a handle on it and can share that knowledge, we will be even more grateful.
Supposedly, Nick Kilgariff at one time was taking serial number-tracing requests from Holdsworth owners, but got out of that "business" when it got to be too much for him.
There was a forum member here: Skip Magnuson that was compiling a database, but he has disappeared...it must be a cursed enterprise...
If T-Mar has a handle on it and can share that knowledge, we will be even more grateful.
Supposedly, Nick Kilgariff at one time was taking serial number-tracing requests from Holdsworth owners, but got out of that "business" when it got to be too much for him.
There was a forum member here: Skip Magnuson that was compiling a database, but he has disappeared...it must be a cursed enterprise...
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derailleur bolt
One of the hard things to obtain - I'm finding out - is a bolt that connects the rear derailleur to a hanging frame piece. Why the previous owner removed it is beyond me.
It connects a
Suntour Cyclone derailleur to the frame.
If any reading this has one, let me know via PM what you want for it.
It connects a
If any reading this has one, let me know via PM what you want for it.
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One of the hard things to obtain - I'm finding out - is a bolt that connects the rear derailleur to a hanging frame piece. Why the previous owner removed it is beyond me.
It connects a
Suntour Cyclone derailleur to the frame.
If any reading this has one, let me know via PM what you want for it.
It connects a
If any reading this has one, let me know via PM what you want for it.
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Thanks - any S/N info - anyone
Lots of Holdsworth info here: https://www.nkilgariff.com
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My 1981 Professional is SN# 028878, but I'm not sure that the numbering convention was consistent between models. However if it does, one of the notes I jotted down from somewhere leads me to believe yours would date to mid-80s. For a neat little Holdsworth story that I relate on The Early Morning Cyclist, click here. (Unfortunately, photos on that page are no longer linked.)
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My serial number studies have been centred primarily brands of personal interest (i.e. CCM and other Canadian brands) and those with wide forum appeal (i.e. Bianchi, Centurion, Fuji, Nishiki, etc.). Consequently I have no data on Holdsworth serial numbers.
Based on my study of Reynolds advertisements and catalogs of bicycle brands that used Reynolds (i.e. Peugeot, Raleigh etc.) that Reynolds decal style came out in 1983. Normally, this would be pushing the limit on a frame of this level for things like over the BB cable routing, long dropouts with eyelets and exposed brake nuts. However, I've been able to confirm that Holdsworth offered models with these features as late as 1982, so 1983 is a definite possibility. The two frameset offered during this period with these features were the Special (700c)and Mistral (27").
Based on my study of Reynolds advertisements and catalogs of bicycle brands that used Reynolds (i.e. Peugeot, Raleigh etc.) that Reynolds decal style came out in 1983. Normally, this would be pushing the limit on a frame of this level for things like over the BB cable routing, long dropouts with eyelets and exposed brake nuts. However, I've been able to confirm that Holdsworth offered models with these features as late as 1982, so 1983 is a definite possibility. The two frameset offered during this period with these features were the Special (700c)and Mistral (27").
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Another data point - I recently picked up a Mistral. As near as I can figure it's from around 1980 but I haven't been able to nail down the year either. Ser. 026089. I found it somewhat odd that a bike of this caliber from 1980 (or so) would be spec'd with 27" wheels and 120 mm spacing; also that it was sold as a touring bike but lacks what many would consider essential braze-ons. All that seems to be in keeping with T-Mar's comment about somewhat outdated frame details.
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Another data point - I recently picked up a Mistral. As near as I can figure it's from around 1980 but I haven't been able to nail down the year either. Ser. 026089. I found it somewhat odd that a bike of this caliber from 1980 (or so) would be spec'd with 27" wheels and 120 mm spacing; also that it was sold as a touring bike but lacks what many would consider essential braze-ons. All that seems to be in keeping with T-Mar's comment about somewhat outdated frame details.
As for the spacing and 27" wheels, the British tend to be a very conservative people compared to the Americans who love to embrace the latest technology. Crica 1980, both 6 speed frewheels and 700C clinchers were still relatively new. Even in North America, they were found primarily on the upper mid-range and higher and definitely weren't the dominant configuration. 120mm spacing and 700C was still primarily the realm of racing oriented models. While they were dominant in North America by the mid-1980s, I can envision things holding out much longer in conservative Britain. Look at how long they held onto their beloved internally geared hubs after derailleurs had taken over the continent.
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As for the spacing and 27" wheels, the British tend to be a very conservative people compared to the Americans who love to embrace the latest technology. Crica 1980, both 6 speed frewheels and 700C clinchers were still relatively new. Even in North America, they were found primarily on the upper mid-range and higher and definitely weren't the dominant configuration. 120mm spacing and 700C was still primarily the realm of racing oriented models. While they were dominant in North America by the mid-1980s, I can envision things holding out much longer in conservative Britain. Look at how long they held onto their beloved internally geared hubs after derailleurs had taken over the continent.
The idea being you could find 27" tires (and tubes too but that's a little silly) out in the smallest town with any shop that sold bikes (drugstore, lawnmower repair, Dept. or Toy store, Auto parts, etc.) but you'd have to get to a real bike shop if you needed to replace a 700C tire.
The 120 spacing also made sense since you'd probably have a triple crank to get the desired gear range, but a 5-speed wheel was stronger (less likely to break an axle) and that was important when carrying weight.
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They're definitely not grand tourers. I refer to them as recreational or day tourers. I think there was a different evolution in the upscale recreational bicycles in North America and Britain, In the former it tended towards the diverse forms of sports bicycles and grand tourers, while Britain held middle ground. I believe much of it had to do with the respective environments. In America even when you wanted to go for a long ride, you still wanted to do it fast, so the sports bicycles developed. In Britain, the road and weather conditions weren't as good, so longer wheelbases, slacker angles and mudguard capability held out a lot longer. In America the longer distances between cities meant touring was often a multi-day affair so the grand touring bicycle became another alternative, whereas in Britain, with the much smaller distances berween cities, you could easily go somwhere and back in a day. You don't need, cantilevers, triple chainrings, triple bottles, racks, etc., unless you're carrying a large load and/or plan taking several days. Not that grand tourers didn't exist in Britain but day tourers were probably a bigger market.
As for the spacing and 27" wheels, the British tend to be a very conservative people compared to the Americans who love to embrace the latest technology. Crica 1980, both 6 speed frewheels and 700C clinchers were still relatively new. Even in North America, they were found primarily on the upper mid-range and higher and definitely weren't the dominant configuration. 120mm spacing and 700C was still primarily the realm of racing oriented models. While they were dominant in North America by the mid-1980s, I can envision things holding out much longer in conservative Britain. Look at how long they held onto their beloved internally geared hubs after derailleurs had taken over the continent.
As for the spacing and 27" wheels, the British tend to be a very conservative people compared to the Americans who love to embrace the latest technology. Crica 1980, both 6 speed frewheels and 700C clinchers were still relatively new. Even in North America, they were found primarily on the upper mid-range and higher and definitely weren't the dominant configuration. 120mm spacing and 700C was still primarily the realm of racing oriented models. While they were dominant in North America by the mid-1980s, I can envision things holding out much longer in conservative Britain. Look at how long they held onto their beloved internally geared hubs after derailleurs had taken over the continent.
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Even in the US, the idea of keeping the 27" wheel for Tourists stuck around for much later than you'd think (certainly after 700C was well established for Sport bicycle use) among brands such as Trek as well as some Japanese makes.
The idea being you could find 27" tires (and tubes too but that's a little silly) out in the smallest town with any shop that sold bikes (drugstore, lawnmower repair, Dept. or Toy store, Auto parts, etc.) but you'd have to get to a real bike shop if you needed to replace a 700C tire.
The idea being you could find 27" tires (and tubes too but that's a little silly) out in the smallest town with any shop that sold bikes (drugstore, lawnmower repair, Dept. or Toy store, Auto parts, etc.) but you'd have to get to a real bike shop if you needed to replace a 700C tire.
Hubs are made by Campagnolo; rims are made by Sun Rims (M14A); the rear freewheel is a SunTour Perfect, with a 14, 17, 20, 24, 28 set of cogs.
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It may have 700c wheels but it also looks like the pads have been pushed all the way to the bottom of their adjustment range. If they were in the middle of the adjustment range they'd be just about dead on for 27" wheels. It wouldn't surprise me if it orignally had 27" and a previous owner did a 700c conversion.
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It may have 700c wheels but it also looks like the pads have been pushed all the way to the bottom of their adjustment range. If they were in the middle of the adjustment range they'd be just about dead on for 27" wheels. It wouldn't surprise me if it orignally had 27" and a previous owner did a 700c conversion.






