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Originally Posted by Scooper
(Post 15801965)
Thanks, Robbie. That spill in Austin was just as much my fault as it was yours; I should have let you know I was there.
Jake would have killed me if I fell on what bigbossman was riding.... Marco Polo was on one of my bikes on the other side.... I couldn't win, but at least the folks in the bus got a nice show. |
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That is a beautiful frame.
I was out on my 1995 Supercorsa today (also SLX, pearlescent white but as it has been well used the chrome and paint is nowhere near as good as yours) and it is a great ride. The cockpit is a great place to be, looking down at the chrome flying "C"s. I built mine with 30 speed Campag Veloce gruppo. I had no problem with spacing for a 10sp rear. I have Cinelli bars on other bikes, but put 3ts on this as I liked the shape of the deep drop and a went for a slightly wider bar for better breathing. Wheels are (at present) Ventos, which are strong but a bit heavy. I sometimes use a pair of self built Veloce hubs on Mavic Open pros, which are nice, but I like the spoke pattern and black colour of the Ventos. Tyres are Conti Grand prix I may swap to a double for aesthetics as I never use the inner ring. Yes it has SPDs in the photo. I sometimes ride 4 of my bikes a week and find it easier not to have to change shoes. Generally, if i'm going for a day run I stick Looks on it and use my road shoes. What amazes me about the Supercorsa is that it's fairly relaxing to ride straight, even hands off (on smooth surfaces), but dives left and right if you just think about it! The rear is very stiff so it also climbs well. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=326627 |
Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
(Post 15802922)
No matter which way I fell there, I was bound to hit a C&V bike...
Jake would have killed me if I fell on what bigbossman was riding.... Marco Polo was on one of my bikes on the other side.... I couldn't win, but at least the folks in the bus got a nice show. Stan: Nice score. It will be a fun and worthy addition to the stable. |
Originally Posted by Scooper
(Post 15801906)
Thanks, all. I'm really looking forward to building this up.
Bob, I nearly put another mouthful of coffee all over my keyboard. Dad would probably be miffed at first, but I'm sure he'd quickly get over it. :p He was a loyal General Motors customer all his life, but eventually forgave me for buying my first imported car, a 1970 Porsche 914. |
Cooper in the phone book is almost as common as Smith or Jones. I guess there must have been a heckuva lot of barrel makers to keep the pubs well stocked with wine.
I've measured the Supercorsa carefully, and did it three times to confirm the rather strange geometry. Both the seat tube and head tube angles are considerably steeper than those listed on the Cinelli website for the current production bikes. I'm thinking it might be custom geo. Here's what the published current geo looks like with parallel 73° STA and HTA in the larger frame sizes. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...psd9cd764b.jpg Here are the measurements from my 1985 Supercorsa. The STA is 73.9°, and the HTA is 75.6°. That HTA and the 43 mm fork rake with 700c - 25 tires result in a trail of 42.4 mm. I'm wondering just how twitchy this thing is going to be to ride. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ps7b371d0e.jpg I zeroed the Wixey on the extruded aluminum rails the front and rear wheels are on to get the centerline through the dropout centers at 0° to the horizontal, then moved the Wixey to the seat tube, head tube, and top tube. The rear axle is centered in the dropouts. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...psb6ec59da.jpg Seat Tube Angle: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ps400a2068.jpg Head Tube Angle (the angle changed to 75.5° as I took the photo): http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ps8bbef154.jpg Top Tube: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...psea0d0b9d.jpg The weight of the frame, fork, and headset is 6.74 pounds. Not too shabby for such a big frame. It'll be interesting to see how this thing handles. |
Nice Frame...!
If it rides anything like mine, you should be very pleased. I never had any issues w/ handling on my SC. It always ran true & was a champ on the downhill runs. I also purchased mine as a 'frame only' from a tech friend of mine in the early 90's. Only it was a new frame, also 59 cm. Looking at the ebay pics, I see you're missing the little 'flying C' button on the stay(s)? I lost one of mine too. I you're looking for a replacement, Universal Bikes has them: Replacement Buttons I live in the Bay Area as well. Good luck on building it up. I had a C-Record group mounted on it w/ an SRP Ti upgrade kit & Syncros BB. I believe it weighs-in at about 20 lbs. For it's size, it's really lightweight. With a good pair of sew-ups, you'll be all set...! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...erCorsa002.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...erCorsa004.jpg |
vélo fantastique!!! Don't ride, hang it up! It is gorgeous! Here's what yours will look like when wrapped in carbon! Mine's a 95 and size is 52cm, weights as equipped 18.5 lbs my lightest road bike!
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/q.../DSC_10003.jpg |
Originally Posted by 1 Lugnut
(Post 15805070)
Nice Frame...!
If it rides anything like mine, you should be very pleased. I never had any issues w/ handling on my SC. It always ran true & was a champ on the downhill runs. I also purchased mine as a 'frame only' from a tech friend of mine in the early 90's. Only it was a new frame, also 59 cm. Looking at the ebay pics, I see you're missing the little 'flying C' button on the stay(s)? I lost one of mine too. I you're looking for a replacement, Universal Bikes has them: Replacement Buttons I live in the Bay Area as well. Good luck on building it up. I had a C-Record group mounted on it w/ an SRP Ti upgrade kit & Syncros BB. I believe it weighs-in at about 20 lbs. For it's size, it's really lightweight. With a good pair of sew-ups, you'll be all set...! The seller did provide a pair of NOS flying C buttons for the top of the seat stays, but because there is a little rust on the chromed part of the seat lug (the only corrosion I can find anywhere), I want to try removing it with oxalic acid before applying the buttons. I plan on using a Brooks saddle and 36 spoke 3x clincher rims with 23c tires, and with the triple crank I doubt it'll weigh much less than 23 or 24 pounds, but that's plenty light enough for me.
Originally Posted by gioscinelli
(Post 15805762)
vélo fantastique!!! Don't ride, hang it up! It is gorgeous! Here's what yours will look like when wrapped in carbon! Mine's a 95 and size is 52cm, weights as equipped 18.5 lbs my lightest road bike!
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Tall and beautiful...
Bela Italliana... |
Originally Posted by gioscinelli
(Post 15805762)
vélo fantastique!!! Don't ride, hang it up! It is gorgeous! Here's what yours will look like when wrapped in carbon! Mine's a 95 and size is 52cm, weights as equipped 18.5 lbs my lightest road bike!
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/q.../DSC_10003.jpg |
Originally Posted by Scooper
(Post 15804831)
I've measured the Supercorsa carefully, and did it three times to confirm the rather strange geometry. Both the seat tube and head tube angles are considerably steeper than those listed on the Cinelli website for the current production bikes. I'm thinking it might be custom geo.
Here are the measurements from my 1985 Supercorsa. The STA is 73.9°, and the HTA is 75.6°. That HTA and the 43 mm fork rake with 700c - 25 tires result in a trail of 42.4 mm. I'm wondering just how twitchy this thing is going to be to ride. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ps7b371d0e.jpg The weight of the frame, fork, and headset is 6.74 pounds. Not too shabby for such a big frame. It'll be interesting to see how this thing handles.
Originally Posted by Gary Fountain
1985 Cinelli Supercorsa Review
Strengths: The essence of Italian craftsmanship. Over 20 years old and yet brilliant to ride. It will always remain desirable amongst informed cyclists. Weaknesses: The criterium geometry can be tiring as you have to watch the road and not ride into things. Then again, it keeps your mind on the bike. Centuries are out but a quick ride over a favorite course is always fun. Bottom Line: I have owned this bike since 1985. I purchased the China Blue frame and fitted it with the best Campagnolo had to offer - Super Record. Since then I have added equipment that I considered would complement the era and the frame. The frame geometry is pure criterium. The seat tube angle is 74 degrees while the head tube angle is 75.5 degrees. You have to be alert when you ride it as it is very twitchy and very responsive. Even with this extreme geometry it remains totally dependable at any speed (you point it and it goes there). The weight is 21 lbs which was very good for the era. Being a larger frame, it is built with the slightly thicker walled Columbus SPX tubeset, with Cinelli lugs of course. This makes the overall weight that much more impressive. The 'Columbo' Cinellis of the 1980's had varying quality reviews, but, I'm extremely happy with my particular frame's build quality and finish. The chrome is deep and the paint is lusterous. It still looks brand new. It's the type of bike you can just admire for its beauty. It is still my one bike I just go and look at and I currently own 27 bikes. |
Absolutely beautiful frame Stan and in my favourite colour. I really hope you have many enjoyable years together.
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Originally Posted by Gary Fountain
(Post 15815597)
Absolutely beautiful frame Stan and in my favourite colour. I really hope you have many enjoyable years together.
Thanks to your review, I know what I've got. :D |
elguicho noticed the same thing on the SC I sold him.
You definitely have to pay attention. Think about turning, and you're there. |
Very nice! Same tubing as my 1985 Tommaso. This one has been striped to the frame and is going to be rebuilt as my C&V SS.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...tommaso8r1.jpg |
Originally Posted by Scooper
(Post 15800934)
For decades I've lusted after a Cinelli Supercorsa.
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Originally Posted by Hudson308
(Post 15815814)
...as RobbieTunes says... "I blame you".
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Enabler!
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
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Enabler!
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Originally Posted by Scooper
(Post 15815624)
Thank you, Gary.
Thanks to your review, I know what I've got. :D I am not surprised though from the time, the Italians were moving steeper and more "darty" at the time. Even my mid 70's custom Criterium bike had more trail than that! I guess you could always place a handlebar bag on it... In keeping with the Jan Heine low trail school... Be interesting if the current bikes actually conform to the published geometry table in the bigger sizes. Will the frame even tolerate 25 mm tires? We mid sized framed guys generally get what is published. |
Wow, that is gorgeous, Stan!
If it causes you get a little bored with your Waterford, I'll be happy to make a new home for it down here in San Diego........:p |
Originally Posted by repechage
(Post 15817145)
Will the frame even tolerate 25 mm tires?
25c tire fork clearance: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ps43a86bcf.jpg 25c tire seat stay clearance: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ps5e862efa.jpg 25c tire chain stay clearance: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...psb4984ff7.jpg |
Originally Posted by Rabid Koala
(Post 15817365)
Wow, that is gorgeous, Stan!
If it causes you get a little bored with your Waterford, I'll be happy to make a new home for it down here in San Diego........:p Frankly, I get the feeling the SC might be too hot for me to handle on anything more than a 20-30 mile ride. The boring Waterford will be a welcome relief. :love: |
I ordered a 1983 Cinelli catalog copy from Velo-Retro, and the Supercorsa Strada section indicates there were two versions available: Universal Purpose and Stop-watch Racing Purpose. There are no geometry tables in the catalog. Does anyone know if the "universal purpose" version had slacker angles and longer chainstays, and the "stop-watch racing purpose" version had the crit geometry?
In the catalog, the Italian language names are "Impiego universale" and "Impiego corsa a cronometro." The Italian to English Google on-line translator translates "impiego corsa a cronometro" as "use time trial." |
Originally Posted by Scooper
(Post 15818239)
I ordered a 1983 Cinelli catalog copy from Velo-Retro, and the Supercorsa Strada section indicates there were two versions available: Universal Purpose and Stop-watch Racing Purpose. There are no geometry tables in the catalog. Does anyone know if the "universal purpose" version had slacker angles and longer chainstays, and the "stop-watch racing purpose" version had the crit geometry?
In the catalog, the Italian language names are "Impiego universale" and "Impiego corsa a cronometro." The Italian to English Google on-line translator translates "impiego corsa a cronometro" as "use time trial." |
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