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Old 10-09-13, 11:50 AM
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Mystery lever on seat tube?

I've seen this on a few bikes in photographs... Anyone know what that little lever that looks like a downtube shifter on the seat tube is there for?

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Méral was a French marque that was based in La Fuye, near Tours, in the Loire Valley. Their catalogue included a model for most genres: road racing, track, a mountain bike, lady’s racers and some impeccable randonneurs. This particular model was manufactured before Méral was taken over, while the foreman builder was Francis Quillon, now considered a guru of French frame building.
A wonderful example of the glory days of randonneuring—when one relied on the luminescence of a torch to navigate moonlit country roads. The other lamp is actually dynamo-driven, located behind the bottom bracket and actuated by the extra shifter on the seat tube. The frame has been constructed from the ultra-reliable Reynolds 531, and kitted out with Huret derailleurs and a Spécialités TA Cyclotouriste crank set. I can almost smell the damp canvas from here.
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The answer can also be found here, where it states "The other lamp is actually dynamo-driven, located behind the bottom bracket and actuated by the extra shifter on the seat tube."
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Nothing to add to ilikebikes' elaborate answer, except that it is a very nice solution for operating the unparalleled Sanyo BB generator. Got one on my Gijs van Tuyl:

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I love that bike in the first post!

non-fixie, let's see some more pix of that guy!
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(...) non-fixie, let's see some more pix of that guy!
Sure. As bought:



A month later in France on a cycling holiday:

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Originally Posted by non-fixie
Nothing to add to ilikebikes' elaborate answer, except that it is a very nice solution for operating the unparalleled Sanyo BB generator. Got one on my Gijs van Tuyl:

Except you got the super-light Ofmega version!
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I recently bought one of those dynamos. I've heard they can be trouble and are out of production.

How come so many fantastic long distance touring bikes come from France even though the French aren't so much into bike touring? The French I met there hadn't heard of it.
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
Sure. As bought:



A month later in France on a cycling holiday:

Beautiful.

Is that an XC Pro chainring?
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
Beautiful.

Is that an XC Pro chainring?
Thanks. No, Shimano Biopace:

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I have a couple of bikes with that lever, both happen to be Giant Excursions from around 1989/90.

Tom, nothing really wrong with the BB generators. The will slip in nasty conditions especially as the springs wear. Also they have a tendency to not last as long as a bottle or hub generator because of the operating environment.

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Originally Posted by non-fixie
Thanks. No, Shimano Biopace:


It has a very nice, refined look.


Very cool!
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Originally Posted by leicanthrope
I've seen this on a few bikes in photographs... Anyone know what that little lever that looks like a downtube shifter on the seat tube is there for?

Although not the case here, bikes equipped for heavily loaded touring, especially tandems, will sometimes have a lever like that to operate the rear hub brake as a drag brake for long descents in the mountains.
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Originally Posted by noglider
How come so many fantastic long distance touring bikes come from France even though the French aren't so much into bike touring? The French I met there hadn't heard of it.
Hey NG. I think France had a rich history of traveling and touring by bike up to the second World War or thereabouts. When mass produced cars became affordable in France, this reliance on the bike nose-dived. Dr. Clifford Graves of the International Bicycle Touring Society, who did much for the touring tradition in the U.S., was much influenced by the bicycle touring scene in France, as were the Japanese.
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Oh, I didn't know that. Glad you're here to tell us this, seriously.
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Oh, I didn't know that. Glad you're here to tell us this, seriously.
Sorry, my bad I didn't catch the tone of your initial post! Anyway, I'm here to solve all super obvious problems, haha
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I have a couple of bikes with that lever, both happen to be Giant Excursions from around 1989/90.

Tom, nothing really wrong with the BB generators. The will slip in nasty conditions especially as the springs wear. Also they have a tendency to not last as long as a bottle or hub generator because of the operating environment.

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Can you )or someone) post detailed pics of this BB generator? Mounted please.
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And as one more usage, Rene Herse was known to place the shift levers on the seat-tube of Demontable models, so that when the frame parts were separated for transport, shift cables need not be decoupled. Voici:
https://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/201...avel-bicycles/

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Originally Posted by ilikebikes
Can you )or someone) post detailed pics of this BB generator? Mounted please.
https://sfcyclotouring.blogspot.com/2...1_archive.html
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This is a complete new one on me. Thanks for the education!
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Originally Posted by noglider
I recently bought one of those dynamos. I've heard they can be trouble and are out of production.
I valiantly (or is it doggedly?) tried to make the Sanyos work for me in the early 80's in sunny olde England. Even with the truest of wheels and the most radially uniform of tires, the darn things would stop working for me with the mere suggestion of moisture. I even tried gluing on a cut-up sew-up tread on 'em, but they just would stop spinning with any wetness. I also tried gluing on various wet-or-dry sandpapers - this would work for a few miles and then stop. Like old Lucas ignition systems, sweet when they worked, but seldom did work.
ps They struck me as such a good idea that I went through two of them in succession, all the while trying and failing to get them to perform reliably.
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Maybe I'll end up wrapping a band of asphalt around it.
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Originally Posted by ilikebikes
Can you )or someone) post detailed pics of this BB generator? Mounted please.
Ask and ye shall receive! I believe mine are Union rather than the Sanyo, I don't know if that makes a difference or not. One of the ones I have has been through hell with my brother and it still works AFAIK. Need to haul it out and test it.

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