Upcharge?
11-25-13 | 03:27 PM
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Upcharge?
So I bid on some hubs and noticed the $24 shipping charge from Maine...then noticed this:
Ebay seller frameandwheel
Product analysis and service (PAAS) charge
Item
PAAS charge ($)
Packaging
Bicycles
90 to 120
Bike box
Framesets
40 to 90
Frame box
Power meters
75
Box
CompuTrainers
75
Box
Bike racks
60
Box
Trailers
40
Custom box
Wheel set
40 to 90
Wheel box
Wheel
20 to 80
Wheel box
Bike boxes
30
Shrink wrap
Trainers & rollers
25
Custom box
Wetsuits
20
Box
Accessories
10 to 20
Box
Components
10 to 30
Box or bubble wrap
Others
5
box or bubble wrap
Oversized or speciality items
150 to 250
Custom box or pallet
Frame and Wheel Product Analysis and Service
Frame and Wheel includes a product analysis and service (PAAS) charge in the shipping cost. The PAAS charge is what the buyer pays Frame and Wheel for making the effort to obtain the item, clean the item, make sure it works properly, make repairs if needed, take many good pictures of it, describe it accurately and thoroughly, provide an opinion about it, purchase custom made boxes (if the item is a high value wheel set or frame set), pack it carefully, ship it within one day of the auction closing, offer 14 days return policy and respond to emails quickly. Frame and Wheel believes that buyers should pay for better than average descriptions, faster than average shipping and professional service.
Frame and Wheel includes a product analysis and service (PAAS) charge in the shipping cost. The PAAS charge is what the buyer pays Frame and Wheel for making the effort to obtain the item, clean the item, make sure it works properly, make repairs if needed, take many good pictures of it, describe it accurately and thoroughly, provide an opinion about it, purchase custom made boxes (if the item is a high value wheel set or frame set), pack it carefully, ship it within one day of the auction closing, offer 14 days return policy and respond to emails quickly. Frame and Wheel believes that buyers should pay for better than average descriptions, faster than average shipping and professional service.
Product analysis and service (PAAS) charge
Item
PAAS charge ($)
Packaging
Bicycles
90 to 120
Bike box
Framesets
40 to 90
Frame box
Power meters
75
Box
CompuTrainers
75
Box
Bike racks
60
Box
Trailers
40
Custom box
Wheel set
40 to 90
Wheel box
Wheel
20 to 80
Wheel box
Bike boxes
30
Shrink wrap
Trainers & rollers
25
Custom box
Wetsuits
20
Box
Accessories
10 to 20
Box
Components
10 to 30
Box or bubble wrap
Others
5
box or bubble wrap
Oversized or speciality items
150 to 250
Custom box or pallet
11-25-13 | 03:31 PM
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From: Louisville, KY
Seems a bit excessively greedy.
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11-25-13 | 03:37 PM
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Genius. With some clever wording they get people to pay them for doing what every other seller has to do too. Paying them to list an item. Amazing.
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11-25-13 | 04:05 PM
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Very deceptive. They're putting cost that should be in the item into the shipping. If they need to get a bare minimum for the item, they should just start the bidding near that price.
11-25-13 | 04:26 PM
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Where's the "washing of hands to not transfer fingerprints to value-added product" charge?
Or the "Sufficient digit pressure to input research data via keyboard surcharge" ?
Or the "Usage of recyclable Green materials for packaging fee"?
LOL!
Or the "Sufficient digit pressure to input research data via keyboard surcharge" ?
Or the "Usage of recyclable Green materials for packaging fee"?
LOL!
11-25-13 | 05:44 PM
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From: Philly
Good thing you decided to PAAS. Their acronym almost makes it seem legitimate.
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11-25-13 | 06:00 PM
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11-26-13 | 05:28 AM
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each package has to pass through NH on the way to the rest of the country. I have to get my cut as well. 
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11-26-13 | 05:32 AM
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11-26-13 | 06:03 AM
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When I was selling stuff on eBay I would list an honest shipping estimate and if it was over what I quoted I ate the difference. Higher dollar items would have the option of a Buy It Now price that included free shipping and if the item was bid beyond a certain amount I would also ship free.
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11-26-13 | 06:47 AM
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Seems like they're tooting their own horn and charging you for the privilege of hearing it.
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11-26-13 | 06:57 AM
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From: Forksbent, MN
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So basically a "charge" to do what I've always done in order to determine that a part is worthy of positive feedback. This guy is simply a scammer hidden behind fees, like any bank, cable company, or whatever. The good news is that you don't need this clown like you might a bank or cable company.
11-26-13 | 07:04 AM
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It is obvious many who have posted here do these services for free. Many sellers on ebay don't do any of the services offered. As lostarchitect pointed out, it would have been more "acceptable" to put those fees into a minimum bid. But bottom line this guy or gal was completely transparent. Bottom line is bottom line. I don't see any game at all.
11-26-13 | 07:24 AM
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From: Rural Retreat, VA
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A buyer could give a low rating in the feedback thing relating to "reasonable cost of shipping". Otherwise, the seller is being fairly honest about it. It's a crappy way to do things, but they're not hiding it, much.