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12-18-13, 08:30 PM
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Looking at the bow in the TT, that nastiness on the underside of the TT, and the seller's initial and subsequent responses, this is just a clown show on his end.
Definitely works out that ebay/PayPal held the funds as per current rules. Funds which will no doubt be re-released to the OP soon enough.
A hassle, and a dissappointment, no doubt. Better luck next time!
Definitely works out that ebay/PayPal held the funds as per current rules. Funds which will no doubt be re-released to the OP soon enough.
A hassle, and a dissappointment, no doubt. Better luck next time!
12-18-13, 08:51 PM
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Bummer for the hassle. I've had more than my share of those with e-bay. A couple I wish I'd been more aggressive on getting restitution but I let it slide because I didn't want to deal with it (transatlantic return shipping and whatnot).
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12-18-13, 09:24 PM
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here is the underside of the top tube (note the flat spots ) failed attempt to repair bend? which would explain the oval area in the tube ...... the seller did note this area in his description ....."There are a couple of small paint rubs on the underside of the top tube from the bike being stored on a storage rack" paint rubs ??? .................... I am pretty well covered on this and this post is just to humor my fellow cyclists during the winter months .....since the sellers response to ebay was ...." I pride myself on my bike collection and would NEVER sell something damaged or bent or broken or un-rideable."
12-18-13, 10:38 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, what are the remaining steps after the claim is filed?
Mostly, I'm curious about who is responsible for the return shipping cost.
Mostly, I'm curious about who is responsible for the return shipping cost.
12-18-13, 11:09 PM
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bike was 700.00 with free shipping I already talked to ebay I have to wait for 48 hours for the seller to offer to work things out after that ebay will send a prepaid ups return shipping label to return bike ( this is not the first bike I have had to return over the years) ebay will do this only if it was a clear case of seller listing abuse
12-19-13, 06:35 AM
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TSD imported frames for many companies, they were imported without paint. TSD painted them and decaled them. That's well established fact. Another well established fact is that 99.99% of all repaints do NOT use the red stripe decal. Heck, the early repaint decals didn't even have a red stripe.
Question: Before opening the case did you try to work it out with the seller?
12-19-13, 07:28 AM
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That was my suggestion, the op has like 450 bucks worth of parts, the frame probably is still useable and rideable, that thing wont explode and if there is no alignment problems (ride around the block to find out, after 30 secs you know if the frame is no good) that bike should ride ok. It can be sold to a hipster to deliver mail, to commute, so more than somebody might want it with the busted tube if the price is right. So if the op gets like 150 back he won't be losing money at all IMO. So far he needs to spend money sending the bike back and in general lines you never see that money back. If he works it out he could even get like a tiny profit out of this headache, if the seller offers you money work the thing out man...
As for the decal, I'm with miamijim, in over 30 years I have seen that red columbus decal twice or 3 times, no sense to source that decal when the original one is available everywhere, I dont even think decal sellers even print that one to be honest w/u, and since never seen that horrible combination of colors in catalogs and pictures, imo that thing was repainted by them at some point or was custom painted like that when was ordered but who knows. I know a guy that knows another guy who worked in that place painting, wonder if he remembers seeing this bike.
Interesting pictures
To me looks more like if the bike was in a clamp that was over torqued or something.
As for the decal, I'm with miamijim, in over 30 years I have seen that red columbus decal twice or 3 times, no sense to source that decal when the original one is available everywhere, I dont even think decal sellers even print that one to be honest w/u, and since never seen that horrible combination of colors in catalogs and pictures, imo that thing was repainted by them at some point or was custom painted like that when was ordered but who knows. I know a guy that knows another guy who worked in that place painting, wonder if he remembers seeing this bike.
Interesting pictures
To me looks more like if the bike was in a clamp that was over torqued or something.
12-19-13, 09:12 AM
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if the seller offers you money work the thing out man...
At half price this bike would be an ok deal, maybe a " crippled keeper" if you will. I'll bet that sweet fork would be worth a bit to the right guy.
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12-19-13, 09:20 AM
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12-19-13, 11:27 AM
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Definitely damaged and not quite as advertised due to the omission.
I wouldn't mind riding that bike one bit though, since I'm light (if not particularly easy on equipment).
A price adjustment of a hundred and some dollars ought to at least settle with the seller, but perhaps the buyer only has room in the stalls for fully "choice"-pick bikes?
I don't think a heavy/strong rider should ride any suspect or very old bikes/parts, at least not for really hard riding. Then again I'm not sure if I would really follow that advice If I were heavier/stronger, but would likely (no doubt) just tweak my quantitative judgement to allow it.
I wouldn't mind riding that bike one bit though, since I'm light (if not particularly easy on equipment).
A price adjustment of a hundred and some dollars ought to at least settle with the seller, but perhaps the buyer only has room in the stalls for fully "choice"-pick bikes?
I don't think a heavy/strong rider should ride any suspect or very old bikes/parts, at least not for really hard riding. Then again I'm not sure if I would really follow that advice If I were heavier/stronger, but would likely (no doubt) just tweak my quantitative judgement to allow it.
12-19-13, 01:02 PM
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I have given up trying to reason with the seller who still can not see any bend in any picture I send him ............and yes factory bending before the bike is aligned is fine but this is after it was sold
12-20-13, 02:24 PM
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Amen to that. I sell a lot on ebay, if I had a situation like this (and I have) I would be pleased to refund 50% of the purchase price and move on.
At half price this bike would be an ok deal, maybe a " crippled keeper" if you will. I'll bet that sweet fork would be worth a bit to the right guy.
At half price this bike would be an ok deal, maybe a " crippled keeper" if you will. I'll bet that sweet fork would be worth a bit to the right guy.
The thing is, this is a "Feedback=2" seller, who has little to lose. A compensation of $200 would be a great deal for most buyers I would think (I think I would be happy with $175 myself).
12-20-13, 02:56 PM
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Seller's message:
"For the last time, the tubing IS NOT BENT. The calipers shoe nothing. The photos show nothing. The straight edge lined up next to it show it is within tolerances for a steel tubed frame (as discussed earlier, a deflection of only 0.5%). It has not been bent in at all and it is clear from all of the photos that it is not bent. There has been no damage in packing the bike and shipping the bike. It was packaged and shipped by someone who does this everyday. The bike is exactly as described in the ad and as shown in the pictures, a 30-year old bike, in good condition with some cosmetic scratches. ALL THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE AD! And the photos you're now telling me "shows" that the frame is bent, was also a photo from my ad. This ad was up and relisted 3 times. You watched it each and every time it was up. You had a MONTH of looking at the pictures and reading the description and what you bought AND received, is EXACTLY what was pictured."
12-20-13, 03:35 PM
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12-20-13, 04:23 PM
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agreed ........ A im sorry or opps i missed that would have been a great start ............... But here is his latest ebay reply ------->
seller's message:
"for the last time, the tubing is not bent. The calipers shoe nothing. The photos show nothing. The straight edge lined up next to it show it is within tolerances for a steel tubed frame (as discussed earlier, a deflection of only 0.5%). It has not been bent in at all and it is clear from all of the photos that it is not bent. There has been no damage in packing the bike and shipping the bike. It was packaged and shipped by someone who does this everyday. The bike is exactly as described in the ad and as shown in the pictures, a 30-year old bike, in good condition with some cosmetic scratches. All that was written in the ad! And the photos you're now telling me "shows" that the frame is bent, was also a photo from my ad. This ad was up and relisted 3 times. You watched it each and every time it was up. You had a month of looking at the pictures and reading the description and what you bought and received, is exactly what was pictured."
seller's message:
"for the last time, the tubing is not bent. The calipers shoe nothing. The photos show nothing. The straight edge lined up next to it show it is within tolerances for a steel tubed frame (as discussed earlier, a deflection of only 0.5%). It has not been bent in at all and it is clear from all of the photos that it is not bent. There has been no damage in packing the bike and shipping the bike. It was packaged and shipped by someone who does this everyday. The bike is exactly as described in the ad and as shown in the pictures, a 30-year old bike, in good condition with some cosmetic scratches. All that was written in the ad! And the photos you're now telling me "shows" that the frame is bent, was also a photo from my ad. This ad was up and relisted 3 times. You watched it each and every time it was up. You had a month of looking at the pictures and reading the description and what you bought and received, is exactly what was pictured."
12-20-13, 04:50 PM
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At this point I wouldn't consider anything but returning it via Ebay and let the seller eat the shipping. Good for Ebay....
12-20-13, 05:08 PM
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Anything but complete compliance (well, other than the buyer i had who bought a Ti frame I sold who went on to contest the sale and claim the dropout spacing was. In fact, 129.5mm... forget that guy) on the part of the seller is unacceptable. This isn't a grey area, this is a defect.
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12-20-13, 05:26 PM
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1. The hint of damage can be seen in the original photo only with the knowledge that it is bent. I doubt you could see it otherwise.
2. The damage is clearly from something hitting it on top and denting the cable guide into the tube.
3. The seller acknowledged that it did not happen in shipping, that is good.
4. You paid for a bike you assumed was not damaged at $700, it would have been a fine price if the dent was not there.
5. It's not worth $700 with the dent
6. The cost of fixing it is irrelevant since it can never be original again.
I hope you are able to return the bike and get your money back. Good luck.
2. The damage is clearly from something hitting it on top and denting the cable guide into the tube.
3. The seller acknowledged that it did not happen in shipping, that is good.
4. You paid for a bike you assumed was not damaged at $700, it would have been a fine price if the dent was not there.
5. It's not worth $700 with the dent
6. The cost of fixing it is irrelevant since it can never be original again.
I hope you are able to return the bike and get your money back. Good luck.
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12-20-13, 06:07 PM
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I'd just send it back....
There's $600 or so of inherent value in the Campagnolo parts. Because of the dent the frames worth $150-ish w/ free shipping...MAX. If you want to use the group on something else I'd take a $150-200 refund from the seller and call it a day.
With a $150 refund and the $100 you'll clear on the F&F you'll end up with complete group/kit for $450....that's a very, very good price for a mostly Super Record group. Drop another $3-400 on a sweet frame and you'll have nice bike for $850 all in.
There's $600 or so of inherent value in the Campagnolo parts. Because of the dent the frames worth $150-ish w/ free shipping...MAX. If you want to use the group on something else I'd take a $150-200 refund from the seller and call it a day.
With a $150 refund and the $100 you'll clear on the F&F you'll end up with complete group/kit for $450....that's a very, very good price for a mostly Super Record group. Drop another $3-400 on a sweet frame and you'll have nice bike for $850 all in.
12-20-13, 06:16 PM
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I think this site is part of a Obsession compulsion venting therapy ,
I'm with JDT on this observation:
I watched a Factory, do a hot alignment right after the whole main triangle was brazed at once.
put the thing on a precision alignment table , and get it functionally straight to the nearest thousandth
if you want.
I'm with JDT on this observation:
Tubes aren't always completely straight. What matters is if the alignment is good.
put the thing on a precision alignment table , and get it functionally straight to the nearest thousandth
if you want.
12-20-13, 06:39 PM
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as I posted earlier.... I am updating this for humor value only ebay already agreed with me and since I have to wait 3 days to close a ebay case ............ I just thought many would be humored by my stick poking
12-20-13, 08:26 PM
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Good deal - I could tell by your last post with his quote that you'd not be getting any blood out of that stone.
Btw, I cut/pasted his remarks and sent him his own words back via Ebay with a short one-liner: "Clueless. Word's getting around."
Hopefully he thinks twice before listing any iffy bike-related stuff again - after all, the interwebz made the world an awfully small place
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Btw, I cut/pasted his remarks and sent him his own words back via Ebay with a short one-liner: "Clueless. Word's getting around."
Hopefully he thinks twice before listing any iffy bike-related stuff again - after all, the interwebz made the world an awfully small place
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