Looking at a Raleigh super course
#26
Also check the stem. I had an early 70s super course that came with infamous AVA "death stem". These french stems were a poor design and would crack with unhappy results. Otherwise the Super course is a great bike and is a very nice ride. I ride a '78.
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To keep things in perspective, the AVA 'death' stem on my Raleigh Grand Prix is coming up on its 40th birthday intact, and in better shape than most bicycles and a good many people the same age.
#28
Originally Posted by mswantak
To keep things in perspective, the AVA 'death' stem on my Raleigh Grand Prix is coming up on its 40th birthday intact, and in better shape than most bicycles and a good many people the same age.
I guess you really are a "Glutton for Punishment"
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Originally Posted by nolageek
My stem has "CB" on it. Also, I didnt see a serial on the bottom bracket, nor under the seatpost. ?
My '70 Professional has the serial # stamped on the Chainside edge of the bottom bracket. My '78 uperCourse has serial stamped crosswise on the bottom bracket (both on the underside). My '77 GrandPrix (not 531 tubing) has serial staped on the back of the seat tube, under the seat stays, running down the length of the tube.
If yours is 1973 or later, you should see two letters, and then a number. The number that's in that 3rd position will be the ones digit of the year - i.e. WS4XXXXX Would be 1974. From what documentation I've seen 1972 or 1973 is the watershed year for serial number change If yours is FXXXX it would be 1971. GXXXX, would, I think, be 1972.
Good luck. It's gotta be there someplace.
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I recently found a 1973 Super Course at the transfer station. I have never seen anything so filthy in my life. I don't think it has ever been cleaned or oiled in 32 years.
Anyway, I cleaned up most of it (that took half a day in itself and buckets of black water) and it is now in working order. Everything was original except the seat. Unfortunately the Brooks was replaced with a plastic job. The derailleurs were shot (both front and rear), so I pulled some Suntour Heros off an old Schwinn that was also in the junk pile. Took the wheels from the Schwinn too, as spares.
I have repacked the bearings in the rear wheel and headset, but I am not going to touch the cottered crank, since it looks too easy to damage. I just put some oil in the seams and hope it will lube the BB enough.
New bartape. Tires are okay.
Rode them 15 miles to the grocery store and back the other day, but I will put new tires on anyway. So far the total cost is about $30. I can now commute to the train station without having to worry about someone stealing my new Lemond BA. I still need to clean and grease the pedals and front wheel. Then I am done.
Anyway, I cleaned up most of it (that took half a day in itself and buckets of black water) and it is now in working order. Everything was original except the seat. Unfortunately the Brooks was replaced with a plastic job. The derailleurs were shot (both front and rear), so I pulled some Suntour Heros off an old Schwinn that was also in the junk pile. Took the wheels from the Schwinn too, as spares.
I have repacked the bearings in the rear wheel and headset, but I am not going to touch the cottered crank, since it looks too easy to damage. I just put some oil in the seams and hope it will lube the BB enough.
New bartape. Tires are okay.
Rode them 15 miles to the grocery store and back the other day, but I will put new tires on anyway. So far the total cost is about $30. I can now commute to the train station without having to worry about someone stealing my new Lemond BA. I still need to clean and grease the pedals and front wheel. Then I am done.
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I've done 2 cottered in 2 weeks and both were easy - just wap the cotters real good with a flat face hammer and dont "tappity taptap" Sheldon"s words, and he's right.
It was really ugly inside one of them. Way worth taking a shot.
Once you reinstall them, ride a bit and snug the nut. They work loose, just stay on top of it until they seat and no longer creep.
It was really ugly inside one of them. Way worth taking a shot.
Once you reinstall them, ride a bit and snug the nut. They work loose, just stay on top of it until they seat and no longer creep.
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Originally Posted by colinm
I've done 2 cottered in 2 weeks and both were easy
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Originally Posted by Noah Scape
You were very lucky then. Over the years I've removed several cotter pins on old bikes. I even have the official Park tool. Even with the tool they can be an adventure to remove. Not to say I wouldn't take this one on, but if you are not well endowed with experience and tools you can end up with a mess.
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#38
Originally Posted by Poguemahone
No kidding. I once had one the little @#$% mushroom out on me; I had to take it out with a drill. What a PITA. Since I've gotten the Park tool, I wonder why I ever used anything else. Like a Var 30 fixed cup remover, it's a tool designed for one purpose, and boy, does it do it well. I also always spray some penetrating oil in a cotter pin and let it sit for awhile before I attempt removal.
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Originally Posted by Totoro
On the 1973 Super Course, the serial number is stamped on the rear dropout.
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Okay. My Super Course project is finally complete. This is the bike that I rescued from the trash heap. Call it a Frankenbike if you like. Obviously I added a number of things, plus new tires, bar tape, and cables. The total cost for materials was under $50. As for the value of the labor I put into it...well, let's just say it was a learning experience. The only flaw is a blip in the seat stay that you can see in the second photo. I don't know if this will result in metal fatigue, but it doesn't affect the ride at all. Any comments are appreciated.
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I wouldn't worry about that seatstay. I am worried about that bar tape though; that color combination is against the law in some states.
Or at least it oughta be.
What's the story with that rear carrier? Looks a trifle high.
Looks great overall; I'm gonna start hanging out at the transfer station.
Or at least it oughta be.What's the story with that rear carrier? Looks a trifle high.
Looks great overall; I'm gonna start hanging out at the transfer station.
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Originally Posted by mswantak
I am worried about that bar tape though; that color combination is .
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Originally Posted by mswantak
I wouldn't worry about that seatstay. I am worried about that bar tape though; that color combination is against the law in some states.
Or at least it oughta be.
Or at least it oughta be.I found this on the web about the Italian colors.
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The Tricolor was first adopted in 1796 by the Lombard patriots and became the symbol of Freedom and Unity. It was sanctioned as National Flag by the Italian Republic in 1802, by the Italic Kingdom in 1804 and by the first King of the Savoia dynasty, Carlo Alberto, in March 1848.
Since the first time it was adopted, the Tricolor has remained the symbol of Independence from foreign rulers for all Italians, who fought several battles during the period known as the "Risorgimento," until they succeeded in securing freedom and unity.
Since the first time it was adopted, the Tricolor has remained the symbol of Independence from foreign rulers for all Italians, who fought several battles during the period known as the "Risorgimento," until they succeeded in securing freedom and unity.
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Originally Posted by mswantak
What's the story with that rear carrier? Looks a trifle high.
Looks great overall; I'm gonna start hanging out at the transfer station.
Looks great overall; I'm gonna start hanging out at the transfer station.
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You found THAT in the trash? I realize it would have been covered in the substances that typically reside in trash heaps and refuse transfer stations, but WOW. You did a fantastic job cleaning that bugger.
My area boasts the largest junkyard in the world, and most of the garbage from new york and new jersey ends up in my county... I REALLY need to start visiting these places more regularly.
My area boasts the largest junkyard in the world, and most of the garbage from new york and new jersey ends up in my county... I REALLY need to start visiting these places more regularly.
#46
Originally Posted by nolageek
Great bike. Almost exactly like my flea market find. 

And it's almost like this one on Ebay, only the Ebay bike still has the brooks saddle. That should add about $50 to its value.
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT
The guy (or gal) looks like a real "power seller" with one feedback since 1999!
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Originally Posted by nolageek
why does she have it listed as aluminum?
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"why does she have it listed as aluminum?"
Because in bikes, many ebay sellers have no clue what they have exactly. My favorite was a Peugeot UO10 with Carbolite 103 steel tubing; it was listed as "carbon fiber" under frame material. Another one was a seller with an early PX10 who apparently got besieged with emails on a scale they had hitherto belived impossible. They had some interesting revisions on their auction...
Because in bikes, many ebay sellers have no clue what they have exactly. My favorite was a Peugeot UO10 with Carbolite 103 steel tubing; it was listed as "carbon fiber" under frame material. Another one was a seller with an early PX10 who apparently got besieged with emails on a scale they had hitherto belived impossible. They had some interesting revisions on their auction...
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