Phillips Men
02-10-14 | 05:54 AM
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1920-1960. Judging by the chrome, I'd guess it's from the later part of that range. The caliper brake on the front does not belong.
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02-10-14 | 08:05 AM
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The frame angles, especially the head tube angle appear to steer my thoughts towards being 50s. The same goes for the lugs. I would guess 50s.
02-10-14 | 02:02 PM
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This style of bike was called a "roadster" and the design did not change much over time, if at all. The Phillips factory in Birmingham closed in 1960, so it was definitely made before then. Raleigh continued to make a bike like this, called the DL-1, for another 30 years after that; and they are still made in India (by Eastman and others) and China (by Flying Pigeon and others) and no doubt other countries as well.
Pamaguahiker may well be right about the date, but it has nothing to do with the geometry. The geometry of these bikes did not change between 1910 and 1960.
Pamaguahiker may well be right about the date, but it has nothing to do with the geometry. The geometry of these bikes did not change between 1910 and 1960.
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02-10-14 | 03:04 PM
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I won't go as far back as rhm, maybe late 40's -60's judging from the pump pegs
02-10-14 | 06:39 PM
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Interesting! What do we know about the chronology of pump pegs? And do you see some reason to think this frame was made after the Phillips factory closed?
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02-10-14 | 07:16 PM
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I would say 50's unless Raleigh made Phillips badged roadsters...
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02-10-14 | 10:31 PM
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My experience (limited) with English Roadsters & their pump pegs is that earlier frames seem to have heavier pegs the later versions These look smaller and lighter to me. I should have limited my guess to pre-60's, I just don't think it's a pre-war machine. So more accurately a late 40's-50's era bike.
02-11-14 | 07:56 AM
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Carlos, do you have the seat post? Earlier versions of this type of bike had a 7-shaped seat post, while later ones use a conventional straight one.
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02-12-14 | 08:46 AM
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Too bad about the seatpost. That would have dated it really quickly. Good call. Regarding pump pegs. i had a 1929 Charlie Gibb, Scottish bike. Check out the pump peg on the downtube. That was common early on too.
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