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Speaking of stolen Confente bikes...did they ever find that one stolen from Amer. cyclery in SF years ago? What was that serial number?
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
(Post 16880517)
This casts a cloud over the bike's provenance: AFAIK, all the shops in Northern Michigan make fudge.
;) Or pasties! |
I own Confente "07". See post 128 in this thread. My bike is 62.5 cm and in original Molteni orange paint. If the bike in this thread is presented as 07, its a fake.
http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...e-bikes-6.html
Originally Posted by repechage
(Post 16878788)
There are a fake or two and a "tribute" bike too… that color even to very close… the tribute frame is marked as such on the bottom bracket to proclaim what it is.
The top tube cable routing might be original IF the serial number is 07, not just 7. If 07 , then the bike would have been built up in Monterey Ca at George Farrier's (sp) home workshop. There is another example from the Monterey period that has that cable routing. Mario started over with the numbers and used a leading 0 when he resumed building after being locked out of the Los Angeles shop. I would expect the brake levers to have a few very small spades milled into the front of them. If #07 , then the only hiccup is the chrome fork crown, most of the Monterey bikes had painted crowns. Only one image, so that is the best I can do. |
Originally Posted by ByeEnzo
(Post 17166798)
I own Confente "07". See post 128 in this thread. My bike is 62.5 cm and in original Molteni orange paint. If the bike in this thread is presented as 07, its a fake.
http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...e-bikes-6.html
Originally Posted by repechage
(Post 16878788)
There are a fake or two and a "tribute" bike too… that color even to very close… the tribute frame is marked as such on the bottom bracket to proclaim what it is.
The top tube cable routing might be original IF the serial number is 07, not just 7. If 07 , then the bike would have been built up in Monterey Ca at George Farrier's (sp) home workshop. There is another example from the Monterey period that has that cable routing. Mario started over with the numbers and used a leading 0 when he resumed building after being locked out of the Los Angeles shop. I would expect the brake levers to have a few very small spades milled into the front of them. If #07 , then the only hiccup is the chrome fork crown, most of the Monterey bikes had painted crowns. Only one image, so that is the best I can do. If you send them to me via email @ aaron@holkservices.com I will post them for you. |
I agree. You can't say you have a Confente and not post pics!
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one tip that can sometimes be helpful in evaluating a machine as to its true "marioness" is the presence or absence of cpsc campag components. mario HATED cpsc and would not install any cpsc components on one of his frames. what became of them after they left his hands if of course beyond his control.
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Originally Posted by juvela
(Post 17167106)
one tip that can sometimes be helpful in evaluating a machine as to its true "marioness" is the presence or absence of cpsc campag components. mario HATED cpsc and would not install any cpsc components on one of his frames. what became of them after they left his hands if of course beyond his control.
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Originally Posted by photogravity
(Post 16880565)
At least on the UP, yes. Northern MI, not so much. ;)
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Originally Posted by Road Fan
(Post 17169228)
Pasties, then.
;) :p Everywhere in SW Wisconsin too. |
Originally Posted by iab
(Post 17169270)
You can blame those on the Welsh.
;) :p Everywhere in SW Wisconsin too. |
Originally Posted by Road Fan
(Post 17169228)
Pasties, then.
Originally Posted by iab
(Post 17169270)
You can blame those on the Welsh.
;) :p Everywhere in SW Wisconsin too.
Originally Posted by gomango
(Post 17169274)
Not to mention the North Shore and "Range" cities in northern Minnesota.
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Originally Posted by ByeEnzo
(Post 17166798)
I own Confente "07". See post 128 in this thread. My bike is 62.5 cm and in original Molteni orange paint. If the bike in this thread is presented as 07, its a fake.
http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...e-bikes-6.html
Originally Posted by repechage
(Post 16878788)
There are a fake or two and a "tribute" bike too… that color even to very close… the tribute frame is marked as such on the bottom bracket to proclaim what it is.
The top tube cable routing might be original IF the serial number is 07, not just 7. If 07 , then the bike would have been built up in Monterey Ca at George Farrier's (sp) home workshop. There is another example from the Monterey period that has that cable routing. Mario started over with the numbers and used a leading 0 when he resumed building after being locked out of the Los Angeles shop. I would expect the brake levers to have a few very small spades milled into the front of them. If #07 , then the only hiccup is the chrome fork crown, most of the Monterey bikes had painted crowns. Only one image, so that is the best I can do. Is it real, or a fake???? The S/N looks like "F7" to me. Weird.... |
Originally Posted by 3alarmer
(Post 17169415)
...but are those real pasties ?
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=753proguy;17917820] This is for sale again on eBay. Currently at about $9600.00. Is it real, or a fake???? The S/N looks like "F7" to me. Weird.... |
Originally Posted by miamijim
(Post 17918186)
This is for sale again on eBay. Currently at about $9600.00.
Is it real, or a fake???? The S/N looks like "F7" to me. Weird.... So I arrived at this thread by another link (not via any current threads link) and was unfamiliar with Mario Confente. Very neat story. I did not finish the thread before curiosity led me around other sites on the internet to gather up historical information. Then I thought, "Hm, I wonder if any have sold on eBay recently..." I go to look and sure enough, the very bicycle in this thread is currently listed. I had to refresh to be sure. I got so excited to share I raced back to this thread, read through the end....only realize I'm late to the game, haha. Very cool nonetheless! |
Originally Posted by ByeEnzo
(Post 17166798)
I own Confente "07". See post 128 in this thread. My bike is 62.5 cm and in original Molteni orange paint. If the bike in this thread is presented as 07, its a fake.
http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...e-bikes-6.html
Originally Posted by repechage
(Post 16878788)
There are a fake or two and a "tribute" bike too… that color even to very close… the tribute frame is marked as such on the bottom bracket to proclaim what it is.
The top tube cable routing might be original IF the serial number is 07, not just 7. If 07 , then the bike would have been built up in Monterey Ca at George Farrier's (sp) home workshop. There is another example from the Monterey period that has that cable routing. Mario started over with the numbers and used a leading 0 when he resumed building after being locked out of the Los Angeles shop. I would expect the brake levers to have a few very small spades milled into the front of them. If #07 , then the only hiccup is the chrome fork crown, most of the Monterey bikes had painted crowns. Only one image, so that is the best I can do. This bike and the concern about a fake actually yields a bit of new information. The F series bikes, or at least this one may not have been accounted for, so the total number of Confente bikes may be seven units higher than previously thought, bringing the total into the 140's. Always more to learn is the moral of the story. |
Originally Posted by miamijim
(Post 17918186)
This is for sale again on eBay. Currently at about $9600.00.
Is it real, or a fake???? The S/N looks like "F7" to me. Weird.... Thanks. My CR contacts are saying the same thing. Dang. What a bike.... It's also here in Michigan. Supposedly "F" serial numbers were from his third and final shop? |
Originally Posted by 753proguy
(Post 17918496)
The owner vetted it out on CR prior to listing on Ebay. The general consensus is that it's real.
Supposedly "F" serial numbers were from his third and final shop?[/QUOTE] I don't think Cardiff by the Sea ever got set up. Story goes that the morning Mario died he was on his way to pick up a surface plate to commence work in the San Diego area. My guess from the eBay listing explainer was this series was for the fellow whose shop Mario was using in Northern California, his last name started with F. Seems reasonable to me. Of course this might make the total number of Confente bikes a number now 5% higher than considered before.... Will it hurt value? I doubt it. |
It looks like there was another Confente sold recently on eBay for $11,700, and was located in the UK. Wow.
Mario Confente Bicycle Number 58 | eBay http://i.imgur.com/dMVinLV.jpg |
Originally Posted by repechage
(Post 17918518)
Thanks. My CR contacts are saying the same thing. Dang. What a bike.... It's also here in Michigan.
Supposedly "F" serial numbers were from his third and final shop? My guess from the eBay listing explainer was this series was for the fellow whose shop Mario was using in Northern California, his last name started with F. Seems reasonable to me. Of course this might make the total number of Confente bikes a number now 5% higher than considered before.... Will it hurt value? I doubt it.[/QUOTE] Farrier? |
These bikes are like Bugatti Royales. You can't pay too much for one, you can only pay it too early!
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^At the very least, the one sold above has solid provenance.
Though if one is going to spend, it would be difficult to really nail it on whats an original. No expert by any means but if I was in the position to acquire, would need to see others side by side or have a mother load of archived photo's. This year I did see a declared knock-off frameset up close but what would I know? Funny too as I had a hard time believing it was a fake. So rare I didn't want to believe it. LOL |
Originally Posted by 753proguy
(Post 17918579)
Farrier? |
Originally Posted by crank_addict
(Post 17918594)
^At the very least, the one sold above has solid provenance.
Though if one is going to spend, it would be difficult to really nail it on whats an original. No expert by any means but if I was in the position to acquire, would need to see others side by side or have a mother load of archived photo's. This year I did see a declared knock-off frameset up close but what would I know? Funny too as I had a hard time believing it was a fake. So rare I didn't want to believe it. LOL There are some variations on these bikes, a narrow evolution if you will. |
Originally Posted by Scooper
(Post 16885530)
After he stole it what could he do with it? Assuming it's genuine, Confentes are rare enough that it would attract lots of attention if the thief actually rode it in public.
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