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cb400bill 06-23-14 07:27 PM

Is this a real Confente?
 
A friend sent me this picture. He thought I might appreciate the bike. He stated that the owner of this bike has it on display at his hotel.

He said, "The guy who made it worked at his father's shop." He also told my friend that this was bike #7 .

I've got no more info or pics to share.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X...613_182102.jpg

Chombi 06-23-14 08:40 PM

If it is that's great to see another one of these rare bikes....
But then I wish the view wasn't a bit spoiled by the not so classic looking Mavic "Lego" style clipless pedals, which unfortunately was Mavic's least attractive designed component.... clunky, boxy and heavy. The yellow plastic parts don't help either. Totally at odds with that beatiful bike.....
Campy SR pedals would have been so much nicer on the bike....
Possible good thing about those pedals though, it might be a sign that somebody actually rides the bike....:thumb:
Is it real? Hard to tell being that it almost looks too minty fresh perfect. I'd have an easier time getting convince if the bike at least has a little bit of "patina" on it, more than the Bacon hoods which can be cooked in just a couple of years in a dry climate....

gaucho777 06-23-14 08:53 PM

The fork crown looks consistent with Confente #5 (pics on Classic Rendezvous). Ditto the scalloped stays. But the aero cable routing would have to be a later (and unfortunate) mod by the owner. Is the RD cable routed through the chain stay as well? Hard to tell in the pic. Some other details (inner fork tangs, seat cluster, BB shell, dropouts) would help and be welcome.

I like that Cinelli stem with the badge on the side and nice lines around the stem bolt.

unworthy1 06-23-14 11:42 PM

DI agree the forkcrown and headlugs look the part, but ...I'd need to see more to be convinced. It would be unfortunate if somebody added internal cable routing to it, but...stranger Drewing has happened...

Wulf 06-23-14 11:57 PM

That would also explain the fresher than expected paint.

repechage 06-24-14 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by gaucho777 (Post 16876761)
The fork crown looks consistent with Confente #5 (pics on Classic Rendezvous). Ditto the scalloped stays. But the aero cable routing would have to be a later (and unfortunate) mod by the owner. Is the RD cable routed through the chain stay as well? Hard to tell in the pic. Some other details (inner fork tangs, seat cluster, BB shell, dropouts) would help and be welcome.

I like that Cinelli stem with the badge on the side and nice lines around the stem bolt.

There are a fake or two and a "tribute" bike too… that color even to very close… the tribute frame is marked as such on the bottom bracket to proclaim what it is.
The top tube cable routing might be original IF the serial number is 07, not just 7.
If 07 , then the bike would have been built up in Monterey Ca at George Farrier's (sp) home workshop.
There is another example from the Monterey period that has that cable routing.
Mario started over with the numbers and used a leading 0 when he resumed building after being locked out of the Los Angeles shop.
I would expect the brake levers to have a few very small spades milled into the front of them.
If #07 , then the only hiccup is the chrome fork crown, most of the Monterey bikes had painted crowns.
Only one image, so that is the best I can do.

Otis 06-24-14 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by cb400bill (Post 16876516)
He said, "The guy who made it worked at his father's shop."

Is your friend's last name Farrier?

gaucho777 06-24-14 05:21 PM

[MENTION=57478]repechage[/MENTION], thanks for the good info regarding possibility of internal cable routing & reset of the serial numbers.

cb400bill 06-24-14 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Otis (Post 16879376)
Is your friend's last name Farrier?

Rereading my post I realize that I wasn't clear about this.

My friend isn't the owner of the Confente. My friend recently stayed at a hotel and the bike was on display in the lobby.

The owner of the hotel is the owner of the bike. The hotel owner is the gentleman who said that the guy who made the frame worked in his father's shop,

jeirvine 06-24-14 09:59 PM

I love a mystery. Where's the hotel?

cb400bill 06-25-14 04:11 AM

Is this a real Confente?
 
Northern Michigan.

rootboy 06-25-14 04:15 AM

But wait….who's on first?

auchencrow 06-25-14 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by cb400bill (Post 16879570)
....

The owner of the hotel is the owner of the bike. The hotel owner is the gentleman who said that the guy who made the frame worked in his father's shop,


Originally Posted by cb400bill (Post 16880457)
Northern Michigan.

This casts a cloud over the bike's provenance: AFAIK, all the shops in Northern Michigan make fudge.
;)

rootboy 06-25-14 05:31 AM

That's the best picture your friend sent you? What kind of friend is that? ;)

Sir_Name 06-25-14 05:33 AM

Such a tease. :(

cb400bill 06-25-14 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Sir_Name (Post 16880526)
Such a tease. :(

Auchen has taught me well.


Originally Posted by rootboy (Post 16880520)
That's the best picture your friend sent you? What kind of friend is that? ;)

A non C&V friend. They do exist. :)

photogravity 06-25-14 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by cb400bill (Post 16880457)
Northern Michigan.


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 16880517)
This casts a cloud over the bike's provenance: AFAIK, all the shops in Northern Michigan make fudge.
;)

At least on the UP, yes. Northern MI, not so much. ;)

Chombi 06-25-14 07:57 AM

Grand Hotel, Mackinac Island??

cb400bill 06-25-14 08:32 AM

Is this a real Confente?
 
Somewhere near Traverse City.

753proguy 06-26-14 04:27 PM

That bike is way too big for whoever is riding it. I'll be there this weekend to get rid of it for them. I'll give 'em 100 bucks for the parts value....

Need more pics.!

Chombi 06-26-14 05:14 PM

I hope it's chained to a column in the hotel lobby........
A slick bike thief can poof away with it when the front desk is distracted with customers.....

Scooper 06-26-14 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by Chombi (Post 16885457)
I hope it's chained to a column in the hotel lobby........
A slick bike thief can poof away with it when the front desk is distracted with customers.....

After he stole it what could he do with it? Assuming it's genuine, Confentes are rare enough that it would attract lots of attention if the thief actually rode it in public.

Chombi 06-26-14 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Scooper (Post 16885530)
After he stole it what could he do with it? Assuming it's genuine, Confentes are rare enough that it would attract lots of attention if the thief actually rode it in public.

You know rare, expensive and world known artwork is regularly stolen from museums and kept away from many years or forever from the public eye by "Dr. Evil" type art collectors..... I assume there are equivalents in the bike collector world..... that Confente would make such a nice wall hanger in a villain cave hideout under a fake volcano.....:rolleyes:
Heck!, the Dr. might even have his own underground velodrome to ride it on.....:D

shoota 06-26-14 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by Scooper (Post 16885530)
After he stole it what could he do with it? Assuming it's genuine, Confentes are rare enough that it would attract lots of attention if the thief actually rode it in public.

Who's this confetti guy?

Scooper 06-26-14 09:43 PM

Mario Confente

Mario Confente was a framebuilder for Masi in Italy who moved to California to build Masi frames in the U.S. He then built frames on his own and had a reputation for superlative craftsmanship. He died young, so there weren't many Confente frames built.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ps11c51208.jpg

Eddy and Mario.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ps90c76198.jpg


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