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Gunman45 07-17-14 09:28 PM

Paramount question
 
OK, I got a red white and blue Paramount bike with a 2A01887 serial number . Is this a panasonic built team bike or what? Somebody let me know what I got and where to look for parts

Scooper 07-17-14 09:56 PM

The serial number indicates it's a National/Panasonic built PDG Series Paramount. If it has a unicrown fork, it's a PDG Series bike.

Post some photos.

Scooper 07-17-14 10:14 PM

Does it look anything like this?

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...psb5209d40.jpg

ChicagoGOBLUE 07-18-14 08:25 AM

Oh, man, that's hot right there! ^^ :thumb:

Bianchigirll 07-18-14 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Scooper (Post 16949463)
The serial number indicates it's a National/Panasonic built PDG Series Paramount. If it has a unicrown fork, it's a PDG Series bike.

Post some photos.

You should have quoted him and said it could be worth several thousand dollars, that way we would have pics by now.

3alarmer 07-18-14 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Gunman45 (Post 16949368)
OK, I got a red white and blue Paramount bike with a 2A01887 serial number . Is this a panasonic built team bike or what? Somebody let me know what I got and where to look for parts


...that's a very rare and desirable bike, but without some photos it's impossible to assign value.

John E 07-18-14 11:18 AM

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http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=393897

Originally Posted by ChicagoGOBLUE (Post 16950482)
Oh, man, that's hot right there! ^^ :thumb:

Yup -- Team USA red-white-and-blue, like my mountain bike.

Henry III 07-18-14 08:18 PM

I had one exactly like the one about about two years ago. It was a PDG bike but no number designation. Just said "Series PDG". Built from Tange OS tubing. Nice bike but it never did anything for me and sold it. Luckily I've got the real deal now.

Gunman45 07-19-14 06:11 AM

1 Attachment(s)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=394024so here it is the red white and blue

Scooper 07-19-14 08:03 AM

It's a very nice PDG Series Paramount made by National/Panasonic in Japan for Schwinn using Tange/PDG OS tubing. Your best source of information about it would be Marc Muller at Waterford Precision Cycles. It's fairly rare in that it wasn't a "numbered" Series bike (Series 2, Series 3, Series 5, Series 7) and didn't, to my knowledge, appear in the Paramount catalogs.

The Golden Boy 07-19-14 09:12 AM

Is that a Columbus frame with a Tange fork?

Bianchigirll 07-19-14 10:55 AM

Nice looking bike what is the deal with the handlebars and break levers? What component group is that?

Looks like my size might be interesting to give it a spin and see how that OS tube rides.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...4&d=1405771764

Scooper 07-19-14 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 16953811)
Is that a Columbus frame with a Tange fork?

Dave, I'm pretty sure all of the PDG Series road Paramount frames and forks used Tange OS tubing.

The specs for all of the PDG Series road Paramounts appearing in the early nineties catalogs say, "Paramount Design Group/Tange OS Triple-Butted" tubing for the frames, implying that PDG and Tange had worked jointly to develop the tubes. The forks were "Tange, Chrome-Moly, Unicrown."

howsteepisit 07-19-14 11:14 AM

:eek: What a crap job of a fixie conversion! As far as parts, just about any modern components will fit, you will need to seek advise from you local bike shop to get correct types and compatabilites with what is left on the bike.

The Golden Boy 07-19-14 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Scooper (Post 16954075)
Dave, I'm pretty sure all of the PDG Series road Paramount frames and forks used Tange OS tubing.

The specs for all of the PDG Series road Paramounts appearing in the early nineties catalogs say, "Paramount Design Group/Tange OS Triple-Butted" tubing for the frames, implying that PDG and Tange had worked jointly to develop the tubes. The forks were "Tange, Chrome-Moly, Unicrown."


I thought so- but that tag at the bottom of the seat tube looks like it could be a Columbus sticker- I recall those tags being higher. But, of course, looking at the other pic you posted, it's at the bottom as well...

I briefly had a PDG Series MTB. It didn't have a number designation- but it had been pillaged for parts, and when I got it, the seat tube was cracked around one of the seat stays, it was crudely covered up with spray paint. But it had the cool PDG decals...

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/64...16nov09012.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/64...16nov09005.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/64...16nov09003.jpg

Scooper 07-19-14 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by howsteepisit (Post 16954089)
:eek: What a crap job of a fixie conversion! As far as parts, just about any modern components will fit, you will need to seek advise from you local bike shop to get correct types and compatabilites with what is left on the bike.

Since the only photo is of the non-driveside it's impossible to tell if somebody drewed the derailleur hanger. That would be a real shame.


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 16954124)
I thought so- but that tag at the bottom of the seat tube looks like it could be a Columbus sticker- I recall those tags being higher. But, of course, looking at the other pic you posted, it's at the bottom as well...

I briefly had a PDG Series MTB. It didn't have a number designation- but it had been pillaged for parts, and when I got it, the seat tube was cracked around one of the seat stays, it was crudely covered up with spray paint. But it had the cool PDG decals...

This is a crappy picture of the PDG/Tange OS tubing sticker (on a PDG Series 7).

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ps76e21dc0.jpg

Henry III 07-19-14 12:02 PM

The Team US colored road frames I've seen don't have a number designations and don't appear in catalogs from my search. Though all Series frames use Tange tubing and never used any other tube brand. I believe the dropouts were also Tange if my memory serves me correctly. I also believe these were some of the first year Pana-mounts.

Scooper 07-19-14 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Henry III (Post 16954199)
I also believe these were some of the first year Pana-mounts.

I suspect you're right.

Marc Muller has confirmed that there were some early (late '89/early '90) TIG-welded PDG OS Series road Paramounts that didn't have series numbers and were painted white. The lugged un-numbered bikes with red/white/blue team paint scheme may have been a similar exercise.

Here's one of the early white TIG'd un-numbered Series Paramounts.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...DGSeriesOS.jpg

Darth Lefty 07-19-14 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Scooper (Post 16954152)
Since the only photo is of the non-driveside it's impossible to tell if somebody drewed the derailleur hanger. That would be a real shame.



This is a crappy picture of the PDG/Tange OS tubing sticker (on a PDG Series 7).

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ps76e21dc0.jpg

And on a series 3

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5539/...55cab799_z.jpg

Gunman45 07-23-14 06:44 AM

so can anyone tell me what year it was manufactured?
Also does anyone sell a quickshift minikit with downtube adapters and derailiers included ?

rhenning 07-23-14 07:19 AM

The PDG bikes were built 1990 to 1992 or a bit more. The serial number would indicate the it was a January 1992 built frame. What is a quickshift mini kit? Roger

Darth Lefty 07-23-14 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by Gunman45 (Post 16966142)
so can anyone tell me what year it was manufactured?
Also does anyone sell a quickshift minikit with downtube adapters and derailiers included ?

If they are Shimano derailleurs you can probably use 7-speed shifters (either old nice ones like RSX ST-A410 or new plasticky Tourney ones ST-A070) without changing the derailleurs at all.

RobbieTunes 07-23-14 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Henry III (Post 16952740)
I had one exactly like the one about about two years ago. It was a PDG bike but no number designation. Just said "Series PDG". Built from Tange OS tubing. Nice bike but it never did anything for me and sold it. Luckily I've got the real deal now.

rub it in.

Henry III 07-23-14 10:01 PM

:p

Gunman45 07-23-14 11:07 PM

I wana put what the white PDG Series above has with the shifters on with the brakes and has adapters on the down tube for the cable guard ends. ah yes thats the ticket. Anyone?


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