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11-21-14 | 05:53 PM
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I always thought of patina as the kind of finish that evolves on the stone steps or never-repolished brass doorknob on the front door of a classic old house. The signs of careful repeated use but not damage, abuse, or neglect. Signs of damage, abuse, or neglect are just ... signs of damage, abuse, or neglect.
11-21-14 | 05:56 PM
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I always thought of patina as the kind of finish that evolves on the stone steps or never-repolished brass doorknob on the front door of a classic old house. The signs of careful repeated use but not damage, abuse, or neglect. Signs of damage, abuse, or neglect are just ... signs of damage, abuse, or neglect.
"I like a little patina on my precious metal."
- (Jimmy Smits to Katey Segal, in "Sons of Anarchy")
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11-21-14 | 06:31 PM
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From: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Bikes: 1958 Rabeneick 120D, 1968 Legnano Gran Premio, 196? Torpado Professional, 2000 Marinoni Piuma
Several years ago, when Ebay and I were friends, I searched for a way to let people know that the bike for sale was not, cosmetically, perfect. The paint chips, scratches and metal oxidation could not, in good marketing etiquette, be called chips, scratches and rust. Nope, so I came up with the term "patina of age". Was I the first, don't know, but it is a nice way of saying marked up..!
Personally, the patina of age on a bicycle does not bother me unless it is dramatically ugly, as was the case in the Peugeot PX10 that came my way, one day, demanding to be repainted...
But the "patina of age" on my second Legnano Gran Premio is too much to appreciate but not enough to repaint...
Personally, the patina of age on a bicycle does not bother me unless it is dramatically ugly, as was the case in the Peugeot PX10 that came my way, one day, demanding to be repainted...
But the "patina of age" on my second Legnano Gran Premio is too much to appreciate but not enough to repaint...
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11-21-14 | 06:56 PM
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My wife is no fan of patina. When I was repainting the house, I wanted to leave the front door as it was. Lovely patina, I said. Nope, no dice. Repainted it.
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1972 Bottecchia Professional, 1972 Legnano Olympiade Record,
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11-21-14 | 09:23 PM
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We have a restaurant nearby named Patina Grill. It's anything but patina though. It's more new-age; appeals to the hipster BMW-Volvo crowd. I guess they didn't look it up before deciding on a name.
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My C&V Bikes:
1972 Bottecchia Professional, 1972 Legnano Olympiade Record,
1982 Colnago Super, 1987 Bottecchia Team C-Record,
1988 Pinarello Montello, 1990 Masi Nuova Strada Super Record,
1995 Bianchi Campione d'Italia, 1995 DeBernardi Thron
My C&V Bikes:
1972 Bottecchia Professional, 1972 Legnano Olympiade Record,
1982 Colnago Super, 1987 Bottecchia Team C-Record,
1988 Pinarello Montello, 1990 Masi Nuova Strada Super Record,
1995 Bianchi Campione d'Italia, 1995 DeBernardi Thron
11-22-14 | 12:58 AM
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As in "wabi sabi?" I'd go with that; there's an inherent zen to it, as well as some interesting historicity.
I'd also suggest looking up the philosopher Walter Benjamin, his particular interpretation of the term 'aura,' and how it relates to human artifacts, to objects that acquire the "warmth" of human usage..
I'd also suggest looking up the philosopher Walter Benjamin, his particular interpretation of the term 'aura,' and how it relates to human artifacts, to objects that acquire the "warmth" of human usage..
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11-22-14 | 01:52 AM
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Patina will work better than beausage (although that's the word I was searching for). Thanks, folks! After thinking about it more, I think I originally heard the word in reference to the brass showing through on well-used black Canon A-1 and F-1 cameras a long time ago.
11-22-14 | 11:41 AM
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In extreme cases, "Rode hard and put away wet" comes to mind.
11-22-14 | 02:17 PM
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Beausage? Seriously? That word won't patinate well.
11-22-14 | 02:26 PM
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From: D'uh... I am a Cutter
Bikes: '17 Access Old Turnpike Gravel bike, '14 Trek 1.1, '13 Cannondale CAAD 10, '98 CAD 2, R300
I resorted to a google search: damaged, shabby, worn out, threadbare, tattered, in tatters, holey, falling to pieces, ragged, frayed, well used, moth-eaten, scruffy.
The term I like (not in the search results) is "Normal wear and tear".
The term I like (not in the search results) is "Normal wear and tear".
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11-22-14 | 05:49 PM
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From: Wherever
"From out of nowhere Patina has found me,
Kissing my cheek as she kneels by my side.
Cradled by two loving arms that I'll die for,
One little kiss and Patina, good-bye."
* with apologies to Marty Robbins
Kissing my cheek as she kneels by my side.
Cradled by two loving arms that I'll die for,
One little kiss and Patina, good-bye."
* with apologies to Marty Robbins
11-22-14 | 09:54 PM
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11-23-14 | 09:43 AM
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11-23-14 | 09:47 AM
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Things are either taken care of or not, simple as that.
11-23-14 | 10:12 AM
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i like sausages for breakfast some times, a butcher i know puts a little chilli in them and they are really yummy and because of that..he has a regular
customer now,i get all my meat products from him and will in the future.
i was cooking these sausages and i looked at the radiator pipes coming down the wall i dont know what they were painted with the effect was like a really old painting kind of lots of cracked random oblongs and squares not one identicle kind of arty in a way.is this patina?
customer now,i get all my meat products from him and will in the future.
i was cooking these sausages and i looked at the radiator pipes coming down the wall i dont know what they were painted with the effect was like a really old painting kind of lots of cracked random oblongs and squares not one identicle kind of arty in a way.is this patina?
As for terminology, how about "battle-scarred but unbroken"?
11-23-14 | 10:29 AM
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11-23-14 | 10:36 AM
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.................A long time ago, in a frame shop far far away, some Freddie Grubb (South London) frames were offered in a special finish that sounds just like this. A base coat of white enamelled over with gloss black and treated/heated in some arcane way so that the black split evenly, revealing threads of white between irregular blocks of black. No idea what it was called or how it was done, but I thought it looked amazing. No photos, but it DID happen. An older boy rode one to my school each day. I don't think I even owned a camera back then (1969-72) and I haven't seen one since. It was clearly not a painting accident.
As for terminology, how about "battle-scarred but unbroken"?
As for terminology, how about "battle-scarred but unbroken"?