oh, no... I don't need c&v spokes, do I?
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oh, no... I don't need c&v spokes, do I?
I have not yet built up the Campagnolo large flange hubs that came with my 1959 Allegro Special. These are the first generation of what was later called the Record, or Nuovo Record, or even Super Record. But mine don't say Record on them. Three of the locknuts are dated 59, one 58. Cool old hubs.
So today I went to build them up, using standard 2.0 / 1.8 mm spokes. And the spokes won't fit though the spoke holes.
Which brings us back to the title of this thread. Oh no...
Advice?
So today I went to build them up, using standard 2.0 / 1.8 mm spokes. And the spokes won't fit though the spoke holes.
Which brings us back to the title of this thread. Oh no...
Advice?
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03-13-15, 05:14 PM
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I doubt it, did you try a straight 1.8? I would suspect you just need to clean up the holes a bit.
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Same thing happens with high flange GS/FB hubs. Typically, you can screw the spoke through the spoke hole. A huge pita. Huge.
Or just buy some sapim super spokes. 1.8x1.5x1.8, I think.
Or just buy some sapim super spokes. 1.8x1.5x1.8, I think.
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I have some Robergel Trois Etoiles spokes I am saving for a lightweight wheel build. They are also 1.8/1.5/1.8. Could be another option. Sometimes they pop up on ebay. Boulder Bicycle used to sell them but I think they may be out of stock now. Keep in mind they require French nipples, so be sure they come with matching nipples as well.
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Sounds like the cat's meow. The thinner the spoke (assuming it is engineered to do the job in the first place), the more robust the wheel. You will have to be more diligent at relieving twist as you tighten the spokes.
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I have some Robergel Trois Etoiles spokes I am saving for a lightweight wheel build. They are also 1.8/1.5/1.8. Could be another option. Sometimes they pop up on ebay. Boulder Bicycle used to sell them but I think they may be out of stock now. Keep in mind they require French nipples, so be sure they come with matching nipples as well.
03-15-15, 02:41 PM
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Is it that the spokes really won't go in or that it's just hard to put them in? Campy hubs are designed to be hard for 14g spokes to go in, because that increases surface area of contact. But I haven't worked with hubs from the 50's so maybe you really do need 15g spokes.
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03-15-15, 03:01 PM
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Is it that the spokes really won't go in or that it's just hard to put them in? Campy hubs are designed to be hard for 14g spokes to go in, because that increases surface area of contact. But I haven't worked with hubs from the 50's so maybe you really do need 15g spokes.
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It sounds like it's working as designed. I've built a few wheels that way. Eventually, I learned to push the spokes in at just the right angle.
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Pushing them in is a nonstarter, but they will thread in as @iab described. Once past the threaded section they slide easily enough until you get to the bend, and there they stop. With careful persuasion I can work them around the bend. ...
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Pushing them in is a nonstarter, but they will thread in as @iab described. Once past the threaded section they slide easily enough until you get to the bend, and there they stop. With careful persuasion I can work them around the bend. I don't like it. Breaking the flange would ruin my day.
If it makes you feel better, I have a bunch of nipples that are bottoming out. The spoke won't pass through. I need to fix that because my supply of 1.8 nipples is low.
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I try and fail to keep things organized. I'm able to keep a Stronglight crank puller in a little Ziploc bag, appropriately labeled, and the Sugino one in another bag that I never open since I have another generic puller. But if I had to keep two sizes of spoke nipples separate, that might be the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean honestly, there comes time when you have to say eff this.
Well hold on... @Salubrious, if you have 72 spokes, somewhere very near 292 mm long, with suitable nipples, well wow, I could hardly refuse such a generous offer. It would be ungentlemanly. Otherwise... well then no, many thanks, I must gratefully decline.
Well hold on... @Salubrious, if you have 72 spokes, somewhere very near 292 mm long, with suitable nipples, well wow, I could hardly refuse such a generous offer. It would be ungentlemanly. Otherwise... well then no, many thanks, I must gratefully decline.
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I try and fail to keep things organized. I'm able to key a Stronglight crank puller in a little Ziploc bag, appropriately labeled, and the Sugino one in another bag that I never open since I have another generic puller. But if I had to keep two sizes of spoke nipples separate, that might be the straw that broke the camel's back. I mean honestly, there comes time when you have to say eff this.
How terrible would it be to drill out the hills to the next size bit? Such a thing goes against my nature... But perhaps I should just lighten up a bit
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Well hold on... @Salubrious, if you have 72 spokes, somewhere very near 292 mm long, with suitable nipples, well wow, I could hardly refuse such a generous offer. It would be ungentlemanly. Otherwise... well then no, many thanks, I must gratefully decline.
How terrible would it be to drill out the hills to the next size bit? Such a thing goes against my nature... But perhaps I should just lighten up a bit
.Well hold on... @Salubrious, if you have 72 spokes, somewhere very near 292 mm long, with suitable nipples, well wow, I could hardly refuse such a generous offer. It would be ungentlemanly. Otherwise... well then no, many thanks, I must gratefully decline.
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