Gauging myself against others
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Gauging myself against others
So I know I am improving but there are questions that come up when I am thinking about my ride.
"That hill that kicked my butt, was it really all that hard or was it just me? How do my rides stack up against others?" Stuff like that.
I use https://www.Traingo.com to track my workouts but its hard to gauge what others are doing.
Example: today I did a hill that was 1 mile and 450 foot climb, what that a big deal? It felt like it! However since I am new maybe gauging myself against others is a bad idea.
"That hill that kicked my butt, was it really all that hard or was it just me? How do my rides stack up against others?" Stuff like that.
I use https://www.Traingo.com to track my workouts but its hard to gauge what others are doing.
Example: today I did a hill that was 1 mile and 450 foot climb, what that a big deal? It felt like it! However since I am new maybe gauging myself against others is a bad idea.
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The only thing I have to guage myself against others is when the roadies pass me. Other than that, I go by miles, speed, and how I feel about the ride at the end of it.
At this point, I really try not to gauge myself against others too much. I did a little over 27 miles today at a 12.2mph average. I see people on here doing 50 miles rides at 18, 19mph and I got passed by a couple of roadies along my ride. But that was a great time for this route for me and I was ecstatic about it regardless.
At this point, I really try not to gauge myself against others too much. I did a little over 27 miles today at a 12.2mph average. I see people on here doing 50 miles rides at 18, 19mph and I got passed by a couple of roadies along my ride. But that was a great time for this route for me and I was ecstatic about it regardless.
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Unless you are racing, the only gauge you really need to look at is you today vs you yesterday. How is your performance relative to before? That's the benchmark I use. I could care less if someone is faster than me, or can ride further, because there will always be someone faster or having greater endurance. I concentrate on improving me.
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Set personal goals. I ride alone, so I just set out to get 100 miles a week. Once you get fit you can start to increase your cadence/MPH.
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I ride alone and I just set goals and try to meet them earlier than my goal date. Then I set a new goal or a little bit quicker time or more hills or more miles. Sometimes it is to run a mile after riding 20 miles. Each person is different, just do what you like and enjoy riding.
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Unless you are racing, the only gauge you really need to look at is you today vs you yesterday. How is your performance relative to before? That's the benchmark I use. I could care less if someone is faster than me, or can ride further, because there will always be someone faster or having greater endurance. I concentrate on improving me.
If you are interested in comparing your own performance to others, though, I suggest racing as a great way to do it. Racing will also bring out your personal best effort, even if it's just an impromptu race between yourself and another rider you meet on the ride.
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I generally try not to guage myself against the performance of others. At 5'7", 203lbs, and a former smoker (smoke free for three weeks now) I will never be a gifted climber or sprinter or have great endurance but I do like to take my time and enjoy the scenery. I do not have a computer on my bike (I do not plan on getting on either) and I do not even wear a watch when I ride. I just focus on spinning at a nice smooth tempo and giving my all on the climbs. Each day is an improvement (for the most part) and I still enjoy riding.
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Unless you are racing, the only gauge you really need to look at is you today vs you yesterday. How is your performance relative to before? That's the benchmark I use. I could care less if someone is faster than me, or can ride further, because there will always be someone faster or having greater endurance. I concentrate on improving me.
Plus, 450-feet in 1-mile? That's what...7-8% climb. For a mile?! That's a great accomplishment. Good job!
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I think it's more of a conditioned impulse than a "bad idea" -- comparing yourself to others isn't a behavior that most people consciously choose to do -- but I don't think it's good for you. It can lead you to be down on yourself when you shouldn't, and it can lead you to be complacent when you shouldn't, depending on whether it seems like someone else is doing better or worse than you. More helpful questions to be asking yourself is, "Am I improving in the ways that I want to improve?" and (most important) "What are the ways that I want to improve?" It's pretty damn depressing to focus your life on climbing a mountain and get to the top, only to find that all along you were climbing the wrong mountain.
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So I know I am improving but there are questions that come up when I am thinking about my ride.
"That hill that kicked my butt, was it really all that hard or was it just me? How do my rides stack up against others?" Stuff like that.
I use https://www.Traingo.com to track my workouts but its hard to gauge what others are doing.
Example: today I did a hill that was 1 mile and 450 foot climb, what that a big deal? It felt like it! However since I am new maybe gauging myself against others is a bad idea.
"That hill that kicked my butt, was it really all that hard or was it just me? How do my rides stack up against others?" Stuff like that.
I use https://www.Traingo.com to track my workouts but its hard to gauge what others are doing.
Example: today I did a hill that was 1 mile and 450 foot climb, what that a big deal? It felt like it! However since I am new maybe gauging myself against others is a bad idea.
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One of the best posts of the thread!
I think it's more of a conditioned impulse than a "bad idea" -- comparing yourself to others isn't a behavior that most people consciously choose to do -- but I don't think it's good for you. It can lead you to be down on yourself when you shouldn't, and it can lead you to be complacent when you shouldn't, depending on whether it seems like someone else is doing better or worse than you. More helpful questions to be asking yourself is, "Am I improving in the ways that I want to improve?" and (most important) "What are the ways that I want to improve?" It's pretty damn depressing to focus your life on climbing a mountain and get to the top, only to find that all along you were climbing the wrong mountain.
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. “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”- Fredrick Nietzsche
"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
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I use a log to measure my progress. In the beginning, the focus should only be on building miles and time in the saddle. If you try to build speed before you have a good base, the odds of injury will go up significantly. I record my average speed and distance, but since I'm just starting to ride again after a long layoff, I don't pay attention to the speed. I keep my bike computer on the ride distance setting and ignore the average speed until I get home. I just focus on spinning and building miles and remind myself to not push too hard yet.
Once you've got a significant base you can do things to help raise the bar in a manner that matters to you. Since each of us is different, that could be increased mileage week to week, faster average speeds, getting ready for a century, or whatever.
Long ago I gave up worrying about being passed. There will always be faster riders out there, and perhaps a few slower. For me, training is not about being faster than someone else, it's about being faster than myself a couple months ago. The log helps me measure progress over time...
Once you've got a significant base you can do things to help raise the bar in a manner that matters to you. Since each of us is different, that could be increased mileage week to week, faster average speeds, getting ready for a century, or whatever.
Long ago I gave up worrying about being passed. There will always be faster riders out there, and perhaps a few slower. For me, training is not about being faster than someone else, it's about being faster than myself a couple months ago. The log helps me measure progress over time...
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I guess I am a competitive a-hole. I have been comparing myself to my ironman friends, it pisses me off and makes me ride harder up the hills.
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Well of course getting dropped on a climb by tri-weenies is grounds for immediate seppuku. Carry on.
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Unless you are racing, the only gauge you really need to look at is you today vs you yesterday. How is your performance relative to before? That's the benchmark I use. I could care less if someone is faster than me, or can ride further, because there will always be someone faster or having greater endurance. I concentrate on improving me.
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There's nothing wrong with focusing and riding hard. Just don't beat yourself up the rest of the day because a few weeks of riding hasn't transformed you into Lance Armstrong. The important thing for us mere mortals that have jobs and other obligations is that we continue to have fun while staying healthy. Cycling should relieve suffering rather than being a source of misery itself.
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Unless you are racing, the only gauge you really need to look at is you today vs you yesterday. How is your performance relative to before? That's the benchmark I use. I could care less if someone is faster than me, or can ride further, because there will always be someone faster or having greater endurance. I concentrate on improving me.
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I like daily measures myself, but I try to view them in larger contexts. I weigh myself daily, twice actually but I do that more to make sure I'm staying hydrated (ie I weigh after using that bathroom in the morning, and then right before I go to bed, if I haven't gained a pound or three over the course of the day I'm not getting enough water and/or food) than to measure my weight loss, that I look at from a longer ranged perspective, I use average morning weight for the week. I find that it works pretty well. I'm also a bit of a data geek, so any excuse to record and process does my brain some good.
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I'll close with a snippet from an old martial arts story. There was once a young man who wanted to master the sword. He came from a famous family of swordsmen, but he was too impatient to apply himself in his studies in the family dojo. Believing that somewhere else there must be a teacher who could teach him faster, he went out looking -- and found only teachers who were inferior to his own father. Finally, in desperation, he approached a hermit who was said to have once been a sword teacher.
"I'd like to become a master of the sword," the young man said. "How long will it take?"
"Ten years," said the hermit.
"Ten years! That's too long!" said the young man. "How long will it take if I practice twice as long and work twice as hard?"
"Twenty years," said the hermit.
You're not going to be competitive with your ironman friends anytime soon, no matter what. Your choice is whether you want to be active and healthy -- and maybe competitive with your ironman friends -- somewhere quite a bit further down the road, or you want to give up. The choice is up to you.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to know where you fit in with the overall crowd and especially with your friends. All this "its all about you and whether you are better today than yesterday" stuff reminds me of kids tee ball games where they don't keep score. Life is competetive and there is nothing wrong with wanting some of that in your recreation too. I think you CAN be competitive with your ironman friends, it all boils down to how hard you want to work to be there. I say go for it, maybe join a club, go on some club rides, find out where you fit in there and if you want to, go racing, your limits are set by you and you alone. Good luck with whatever you do.
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