What's the deal with riders choosing much older bikes over latest technology?
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What's the deal with riders choosing much older bikes over latest technology?
I owned and rode a few bikes when I was a kid in the 70's and 80's, then stopped riding when I got my driver's license. I just got back into riding a year and a half ago. Clearly cycling technology has changed significantly during that time frame where I was not riding.
Recently, I've started doing more group rides. And it seems the majority of those riders are using bikes made in the few couple of years, but I've talked to a few that purposely choose to ride much older style road bikes. And I didn't ask why just in case it was a financial thing, but I've been wondering.
Why do some choose to ride much older road bikes these days?
Recently, I've started doing more group rides. And it seems the majority of those riders are using bikes made in the few couple of years, but I've talked to a few that purposely choose to ride much older style road bikes. And I didn't ask why just in case it was a financial thing, but I've been wondering.
Why do some choose to ride much older road bikes these days?
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The same reason some people spend 80K$ on a resto-mod 68 camaro instead of just buying a new Porsche.
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Some people like the style and feel of the classic steel road bike. I have the full carbon road bike with ultegra (though I haven't bothered graduating to electronic shifting or 11-speed) but the bike I liked riding the most was a 1984 Raleigh in Reynolds 531. When that got totalled in a crash I threw some money at a retro/modern compromise - a custom steel frame in columbus spirit tubing with a 2013 groupset and carbon forks.
CF is a terrific material, I have nothing against it. But a traditional steel frame just looks more like a bike should look, to me. Something to do with my age...
CF is a terrific material, I have nothing against it. But a traditional steel frame just looks more like a bike should look, to me. Something to do with my age...
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I picked up my old 1981 Panasonic road bike for $60. It's not even a fancy vintage bike, just an entry level gas-pipe frame. I just loved the way it rides. Over the years I've upgraded the cockpit and the wheelset so now it's perfect for me.
I could go buy a new fancy bike if I wanted, and sometimes I'm tempted to. But then I think, "would I really like a new bike any better than my current one?" and the answer always comes back, "no." So I keep riding my old one.
I could go buy a new fancy bike if I wanted, and sometimes I'm tempted to. But then I think, "would I really like a new bike any better than my current one?" and the answer always comes back, "no." So I keep riding my old one.
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I have an 87 Schwinn Circuit w/ columbus SL tubes. Stored the OEM parts and swapped in 5700 105 grouppo that came on my 12' super6. Bike ride very nice, mutes the bumps n buzz far better than the super6 did. But its about 4lbs heavier and feels like noodles off the saddle stomping for accelerations, sprints or hills. IMO it won't replace a CF bike as far as speed goes but maybe a better distance bike if I ever replace the saddle. I still rock the white Condor saddle that came on the bike in 87
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I ride an old road bike that I got for free a few years back. Steel framed Fuji from the 80s. What can I say, it works, I like riding it, and the frame is nice and solid. Could use a larger frame for my body type, but it isn't uncomfortable at all. Since I ride mainly for weight loss and improved fitness when I am on the road, this bike suits my purposes. Maybe when I hit my final goal weight, a modern road bike will be bought as a reward. More incentive!
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Lots of possible reasons...
*don't want a big investment on a first bike.
*steel is just preferred by people that commute
*bike was already sitting around
*older bikes are more likely to pop up on craigslist
*established standards have more readily available parts
*mass produced bikes have staying power
I personally have no pressing reasons to run out and buy some new fancy carbon race bike. I'd love to have one, just because N+1, but on that same note I could probably have three nice used bikes for the same price. I do try to stay in the last fifteen or so years with 130mm hub spacing, threadless stem, 1-1/8 steerer.
In my riding group, there are just as many modern steel commuter bikes as their are retro/classic types (in which case, mostly fixed or single-speed). Steel is preferred among my local peers. I can't, nor do I have a desire to keep up with the guys that are buying $3k carbon bikes, earning KOM's, and riding in 25+mph pacelines as they blaze through stopsigns and lights.
*don't want a big investment on a first bike.
*steel is just preferred by people that commute
*bike was already sitting around
*older bikes are more likely to pop up on craigslist
*established standards have more readily available parts
*mass produced bikes have staying power
I personally have no pressing reasons to run out and buy some new fancy carbon race bike. I'd love to have one, just because N+1, but on that same note I could probably have three nice used bikes for the same price. I do try to stay in the last fifteen or so years with 130mm hub spacing, threadless stem, 1-1/8 steerer.
In my riding group, there are just as many modern steel commuter bikes as their are retro/classic types (in which case, mostly fixed or single-speed). Steel is preferred among my local peers. I can't, nor do I have a desire to keep up with the guys that are buying $3k carbon bikes, earning KOM's, and riding in 25+mph pacelines as they blaze through stopsigns and lights.
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I picked this for my frame set after taking some long test rides on CF bikes. I'm just as fast and way more comfortable on Columbus steel. For me, it's not about "Classic Looks" or CF vs Steel. I've got a CF fork and a CF seat post, I've tried to take the best of CF and the best of steel. It's a sub 19lb bike that rides like butter. I think it's just a smarter choice for me.
Saturday, I rode on some of the worst roads around here. These are the tank tracks that Rouge Roubaix uses for it's spring classic. One of my buddies looked over at me on a brutal down hill and said "**it you're not even bouncing" .
Sunday I rode a MS training ride where we averaged 19.97 MPH for 50 miles. That's about as good as it gets for me.
One a minor note, I don't care for all the marketing stickers and my Wabi doesn't have them.
CF, is a great proven material that can be quickly pulled out of a mold. Very convenient to manufacture. My bike was hand welded, takes a skilled person to do that. Very inconvenient to manufacture.
All the above is why I picked a build like I did.
Saturday, I rode on some of the worst roads around here. These are the tank tracks that Rouge Roubaix uses for it's spring classic. One of my buddies looked over at me on a brutal down hill and said "**it you're not even bouncing" .
Sunday I rode a MS training ride where we averaged 19.97 MPH for 50 miles. That's about as good as it gets for me.
One a minor note, I don't care for all the marketing stickers and my Wabi doesn't have them.
CF, is a great proven material that can be quickly pulled out of a mold. Very convenient to manufacture. My bike was hand welded, takes a skilled person to do that. Very inconvenient to manufacture.
All the above is why I picked a build like I did.
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I have a modern steel road bike. I wanted something that could stand getting banged around and abused.
My dad just hasn't bought a new bike since college. He said if he was still racing, he'd get a new bike-downtube shifters are just too much of a disadvantage, he says. But he's not racing. And the bike was just fine when he was a fast cat 1 racer, so there's no reason it can't handle his much more relaxed, casual and slow riding now.
My dad just hasn't bought a new bike since college. He said if he was still racing, he'd get a new bike-downtube shifters are just too much of a disadvantage, he says. But he's not racing. And the bike was just fine when he was a fast cat 1 racer, so there's no reason it can't handle his much more relaxed, casual and slow riding now.
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Some of it. But my custom steel bike is also my most comfortable ride. Like jsigone said, it may not be the fastest bike I have but it's the one I go to for a 5 or 6 hour day in the saddle. And at about 19lbs all-in, it's not exactly a heavyweight.
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Not for me. My "old" bikes have been/still are ridden with regularity since they were built for a purpose and still serve in it.
Since I never stopped riding them over a period of decades I don't "wish" I could "experience it again", I do experience it as I please.
Nothing wistful, twee or sentimental here: they are just old bikes & I'm the old guy who rode/rides them.
edit: As far as "the latest technology" goes I'm fond of riding a fixed gear, as the bike in the pic has been equipped for the last 22 seasons.
A 19th century technology is sometimes what is required and serves perfectly well today.
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" pleasure and sadness that is caused by remembering something from the past and wishing that you could experience it again"
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Not for me. My "old" bikes have been/still are ridden with regularity since they were built for a purpose and still serve in it.
Since I never stopped riding them over a period of decades I don't "wish" I could "experience it again", I do experience it as I please.
Nothing wistful, twee or sentimental here: they are just old bikes & I'm the old guy who rode/rides them.
edit: As far as "the latest technology" goes I'm fond of riding a fixed gear, as the bike in the pic has been equipped for the last 22 seasons.
A 19th century technology is sometimes what is required and serves perfectly well today.
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I just prefer the looks of lugged steel and chrome sleeves.
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If there is one person who epitomizes the radical Nostalgic, it's Grant Petersen. If Petersen had been in the bicycle business a couple of decades earlier, he be pushing the 3 speed Campagnolo rod shifters as the ultimate in technology. He's entitled to his opinion but the rest of us will just walk past the raving lunatic while shaking our heads.
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In my case it is partly financial, although even if money weren't an issue I'd probably still have a similar bike since I am partial to lugged steel and I'm naturally cheap. A friend I ride with has an upgraded early-80s Univega road bike that belonged to his father, and I think for him the choice is both financial and sentimental.
On the other hand, there are those for whom finances aren't a concern who passionately choose classic or classic-looking bikes that are quite expensive and sometimes custom. I believe the term "retrogrouch" most often refers to this demographic. This post on Lovely Bicycle gets at some of what inspires that:
Lovely Bicycle!: Choosing Your Gospel: Rivendell vs Bicycle Quarterly
On the other hand, there are those for whom finances aren't a concern who passionately choose classic or classic-looking bikes that are quite expensive and sometimes custom. I believe the term "retrogrouch" most often refers to this demographic. This post on Lovely Bicycle gets at some of what inspires that:
Lovely Bicycle!: Choosing Your Gospel: Rivendell vs Bicycle Quarterly
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For some, perhaps. Others might just be frugal, or have a preference for the style of bike they grew up with . That isn't necessarily nostalgia. Just personal preference. Nostalgia is someone who has already switched to modern, then intentionally goes back. I went through a nostalgic phase where I replaced my late 90s Bianchi hybrid with a mid 80s Schwinn Touring bike before ultimately replacing that with a modern steel road bike.
Or they might commute in bad weather or leave their bikes parked for hours in sketchy neighborhoods, and would prefer not to worry about theft or damage.
I was in court yesterday and struck up a conversation with a guy who is a kind of friend and religious advisor to one of my clients, and showed up to see what happened at his court date. When I asked where he was parked, he mentioned he rode his bike to court, and left it parked just outside the main entrance to the jail, just next to the courthouse. I said I would be nervous to leave my bike parked anywhere near the courthouse, which is in the inner city. When I saw this guy's bike, I realized why he wasn't worried about theft. This fellow was riding an old late 70s or early 80s Schwinn World Sport, which was built up with a bunch of mismatched components. Didn't even have quick release wheels. All he used to lock the bike with was a thin cable and lock.
Or they might commute in bad weather or leave their bikes parked for hours in sketchy neighborhoods, and would prefer not to worry about theft or damage.
I was in court yesterday and struck up a conversation with a guy who is a kind of friend and religious advisor to one of my clients, and showed up to see what happened at his court date. When I asked where he was parked, he mentioned he rode his bike to court, and left it parked just outside the main entrance to the jail, just next to the courthouse. I said I would be nervous to leave my bike parked anywhere near the courthouse, which is in the inner city. When I saw this guy's bike, I realized why he wasn't worried about theft. This fellow was riding an old late 70s or early 80s Schwinn World Sport, which was built up with a bunch of mismatched components. Didn't even have quick release wheels. All he used to lock the bike with was a thin cable and lock.
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They were good bikes in 1994. The world has moved on.
You might want to make some changes before those bikes spontaneously combust, however. The XO-2, in particular, is on the edge of melt down. Clipless pedals and STI? You could take out half your city when that thing goes! You need to get some index shifters on it...Stat!
You might want to make some changes before those bikes spontaneously combust, however. The XO-2, in particular, is on the edge of melt down. Clipless pedals and STI? You could take out half your city when that thing goes! You need to get some index shifters on it...Stat!
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Some of us realize that we won't be riding enough to outperform the capabilities of our old bikes. I paid less for a road bike this spring than some of you will pay for the latest crank.
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They were good bikes in 1994. The world has moved on.
You might want to make some changes before those bikes spontaneously combust, however. The XO-2, in particular, is on the edge of melt down. Clipless pedals and STI? You could take out half your city when that thing goes! You need to get some index shifters on it...Stat!
You might want to make some changes before those bikes spontaneously combust, however. The XO-2, in particular, is on the edge of melt down. Clipless pedals and STI? You could take out half your city when that thing goes! You need to get some index shifters on it...Stat!
Maybe if I add a brooks leather saddle, that will help prevent it from a spontaneous meltdown due to lack of old style components on that bike. . . .
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If there is one person who epitomizes the radical Nostalgic, it's Grant Petersen. If Petersen had been in the bicycle business a couple of decades earlier, he be pushing the 3 speed Campagnolo rod shifters as the ultimate in technology. He's entitled to his opinion but the rest of us will just walk past the raving lunatic while shaking our heads.