Commuting proved to be useful as training
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Commuting proved to be useful as training
I signed up for Ride the Ridge, a 50-mile hilly ride in the central Hudson valley. For the weeks leading up to the ride, through the moment I started, I had doubts as to whether I would finish easily or even finish at all.
My commute has only a few hills, none of them very tall, and only one incline is steep. Most of my commute is flat. It's 13 miles each way.
The ride was yesterday (Sunday). As luck had it, I found it to be fairly easy, even with the one very long climb. There were over 100 entrants in the long route that I took. I certainly wasn't the fastest, but neither was I the slowest. And I seemed to be the fastest descender around me, for whatever that's worth.
I kept waiting for the route to be difficult, and it never happened.
Here are my tracks, complete with speed and elevation graphs. They include the 4 miles from my home (in High Falls) to the ride's start. Funny, on my commute, I average 12 mph, and on this ride, I averaged 14 mph. I guess with all that company, I challenged myself without even knowing it. I'm capable of more than I thought.
I thought I was ill prepared because I hardly ever take a long ride these days. (I define a long ride as 30 miles or more.) But I wasn't ill prepared at all!
Given how relatively fresh I felt at the end, I'd say that if I wanted to ride 100 miles in a day, I could do it, but that's not saying it would be easy. I noticed my legs didn't have quite the oomph at the end that they had in the beginning. I'd say my ideal very-long-ride length would be 75 miles.
My commute has only a few hills, none of them very tall, and only one incline is steep. Most of my commute is flat. It's 13 miles each way.
The ride was yesterday (Sunday). As luck had it, I found it to be fairly easy, even with the one very long climb. There were over 100 entrants in the long route that I took. I certainly wasn't the fastest, but neither was I the slowest. And I seemed to be the fastest descender around me, for whatever that's worth.
I kept waiting for the route to be difficult, and it never happened.
Here are my tracks, complete with speed and elevation graphs. They include the 4 miles from my home (in High Falls) to the ride's start. Funny, on my commute, I average 12 mph, and on this ride, I averaged 14 mph. I guess with all that company, I challenged myself without even knowing it. I'm capable of more than I thought.
I thought I was ill prepared because I hardly ever take a long ride these days. (I define a long ride as 30 miles or more.) But I wasn't ill prepared at all!
Given how relatively fresh I felt at the end, I'd say that if I wanted to ride 100 miles in a day, I could do it, but that's not saying it would be easy. I noticed my legs didn't have quite the oomph at the end that they had in the beginning. I'd say my ideal very-long-ride length would be 75 miles.
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several years ago when i had a much longer 15 mile one-way daily bike commute (30 miles/day), i did a 900 mile tour across great britain with some friends where we averaged ~75 miles/day for 12 straight days.
i did no other specific training for the tour other than my regular commuting and some occasional longer weekend rides that i would have been doing anyway as a matter of recreation.
the tour was a breeze for me, and an unbelievable amount of fun! trip of a lifetime for me. some of the other guys struggled at times here or there, but my legs powered me assuredly and relentlessly across every mile and over every hill and mountain range. going from 30 miles/day to 75 miles/day for two weeks was no issue at all for me, no doubt due to my 30 miles/day of daily bike commuting.
i now have a much shorter 5 mile one-way daily bike commute and a beautiful little baby girl who joyfully eats up MASSIVE amounts of my free time (long weekend rides are few and far between for me these days), so i'm pretty sure that were i to attempt a similar tour right now, i'd be seriously hurting without a lot of proper training and build-up to it.
i did no other specific training for the tour other than my regular commuting and some occasional longer weekend rides that i would have been doing anyway as a matter of recreation.
the tour was a breeze for me, and an unbelievable amount of fun! trip of a lifetime for me. some of the other guys struggled at times here or there, but my legs powered me assuredly and relentlessly across every mile and over every hill and mountain range. going from 30 miles/day to 75 miles/day for two weeks was no issue at all for me, no doubt due to my 30 miles/day of daily bike commuting.
i now have a much shorter 5 mile one-way daily bike commute and a beautiful little baby girl who joyfully eats up MASSIVE amounts of my free time (long weekend rides are few and far between for me these days), so i'm pretty sure that were i to attempt a similar tour right now, i'd be seriously hurting without a lot of proper training and build-up to it.
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I usually increase my miles for a week or two before a trip, and never have any issues putting in longish days with a fully loaded touring bike. Last summer I rode back to back 90 mile days two weekends in a row, and wasn't at or near my limit. Consistent fast commutes of one hour every 12 hours 5 days a week is great for conditioning. I have a trip coming up next week, and have been riding during the week and on weekends around 30 miles a day, which should be plenty for the 50-70 mile days ahead.
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I have found that commuting helps to bridge me between "real" workouts, i.e. I don't lose conditioning when I can rely on my typical 50-70 miles per week of commuting.
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I signed up for Ride the Ridge, a 50-mile hilly ride in the central Hudson valley. For the weeks leading up to the ride, through the moment I started, I had doubts as to whether I would finish easily or even finish at all.
My commute has only a few hills, none of them very tall, and only one incline is steep. Most of my commute is flat. It's 13 miles each way.
The ride was yesterday (Sunday). As luck had it, I found it to be fairly easy, even with the one very long climb. There were over 100 entrants in the long route that I took. I certainly wasn't the fastest, but neither was I the slowest. And I seemed to be the fastest descender around me, for whatever that's worth.
I kept waiting for the route to be difficult, and it never happened.
Here are my tracks, complete with speed and elevation graphs. They include the 4 miles from my home (in High Falls) to the ride's start. Funny, on my commute, I average 12 mph, and on this ride, I averaged 14 mph. I guess with all that company, I challenged myself without even knowing it. I'm capable of more than I thought.
I thought I was ill prepared because I hardly ever take a long ride these days. (I define a long ride as 30 miles or more.) But I wasn't ill prepared at all!
Given how relatively fresh I felt at the end, I'd say that if I wanted to ride 100 miles in a day, I could do it, but that's not saying it would be easy. I noticed my legs didn't have quite the oomph at the end that they had in the beginning. I'd say my ideal very-long-ride length would be 75 miles.
My commute has only a few hills, none of them very tall, and only one incline is steep. Most of my commute is flat. It's 13 miles each way.
The ride was yesterday (Sunday). As luck had it, I found it to be fairly easy, even with the one very long climb. There were over 100 entrants in the long route that I took. I certainly wasn't the fastest, but neither was I the slowest. And I seemed to be the fastest descender around me, for whatever that's worth.
I kept waiting for the route to be difficult, and it never happened.
Here are my tracks, complete with speed and elevation graphs. They include the 4 miles from my home (in High Falls) to the ride's start. Funny, on my commute, I average 12 mph, and on this ride, I averaged 14 mph. I guess with all that company, I challenged myself without even knowing it. I'm capable of more than I thought.
I thought I was ill prepared because I hardly ever take a long ride these days. (I define a long ride as 30 miles or more.) But I wasn't ill prepared at all!
Given how relatively fresh I felt at the end, I'd say that if I wanted to ride 100 miles in a day, I could do it, but that's not saying it would be easy. I noticed my legs didn't have quite the oomph at the end that they had in the beginning. I'd say my ideal very-long-ride length would be 75 miles.
That and I think most of us bike commute alone, where on event rides you even if you are not with a group you will tend to find yourself in groups of riders going at a similar pace, which is generally a faster pace than I would use on a solo commuting ride.
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Well, one factor was that I was on a faster, lighter bike. But yes, the pace of the group was definitely a factor, though it wasn't very conscious. The route was a heck of a lot hillier than my commute, so I'm surprised. Go me! 
The vast majority of my route is off of public streets, on a bike path and a multi-use path. But I guess watching out for cyclists and pedestrians does slow me down, even though I hardly have any red lights at all.
I might try picking up the pace on my commute and seeing what happens.

The vast majority of my route is off of public streets, on a bike path and a multi-use path. But I guess watching out for cyclists and pedestrians does slow me down, even though I hardly have any red lights at all.
I might try picking up the pace on my commute and seeing what happens.
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I say, do it! There are those who feel commuting should be leisurely, that "it's not a race", but I find that the harder I push myself, the happier and more energized I am by the end.
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I use my commute to follow a ten week century training schedule with daiiy mileage quotas. It gets me riding more than I would with the routine commute, and enjoy the nice weather, but is a sacrifice of time. After I do the ten weeks, I retrench back to week six for maintainence.
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I use my commute to follow a ten week century training schedule with daiiy mileage quotas. It gets me riding more than I would with the routine commute, and enjoy the nice weather, but is a sacrifice of time. After I do the ten weeks, I retrench back to week six for maintainence.
Care to share your 10 week training plan?
I'm lucky in that I can just hop on a bike and ride 100 miles whenever I want (because of the daily commute), but my wife definitely needs a training plan to get ready.
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Commuting is great training. I ride several bike tours every year, and my training consists of commuting along with occasional longer rides on weekends. Never have a problem on any of the longer rides, even on weeklong tours where we ride 50-60+ miles a day.
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Here are my tracks, complete with speed and elevation graphs. They include the 4 miles from my home (in High Falls) to the ride's start. Funny, on my commute, I average 12 mph, and on this ride, I averaged 14 mph. I guess with all that company, I challenged myself without even knowing it. I'm capable of more than I thought.
I thought I was ill prepared because I hardly ever take a long ride these days. (I define a long ride as 30 miles or more.) But I wasn't ill prepared at all!
Given how relatively fresh I felt at the end, I'd say that if I wanted to ride 100 miles in a day, I could do it, but that's not saying it would be easy. I noticed my legs didn't have quite the oomph at the end that they had in the beginning. I'd say my ideal very-long-ride length would be 75 miles.
I thought I was ill prepared because I hardly ever take a long ride these days. (I define a long ride as 30 miles or more.) But I wasn't ill prepared at all!
Given how relatively fresh I felt at the end, I'd say that if I wanted to ride 100 miles in a day, I could do it, but that's not saying it would be easy. I noticed my legs didn't have quite the oomph at the end that they had in the beginning. I'd say my ideal very-long-ride length would be 75 miles.
I'm here in Thalahasse visiting my son and brought my commuter with me. Some killer hills in town! Had to use gears I never used before in south Florida! I like it! Makes for slower commute but the up and down adds a level of fun.
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I thought I was ill prepared because I hardly ever take a long ride these days. (I define a long ride as 30 miles or more.) But I wasn't ill prepared at all!
Given how relatively fresh I felt at the end, I'd say that if I wanted to ride 100 miles in a day, I could do it, but that's not saying it would be easy. I noticed my legs didn't have quite the oomph at the end that they had in the beginning. I'd say my ideal very-long-ride length would be 75 miles.
Given how relatively fresh I felt at the end, I'd say that if I wanted to ride 100 miles in a day, I could do it, but that's not saying it would be easy. I noticed my legs didn't have quite the oomph at the end that they had in the beginning. I'd say my ideal very-long-ride length would be 75 miles.
I know a guy that is really in to the 'roadie thing', I was telling him commuting it good training, he dismissed me without any discussion (he's kinda a tool). Don't underestimate the power of daily commuting!
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Congratulation! Sure doesn't look like an easy ride from the track and elevation gain and lost and the distance in between them. I would like to try something like this some day, just to see my level of fitness.
I'm here in Thalahasse visiting my son and brought my commuter with me. Some killer hills in town! Had to use gears I never used before in south Florida! I like it! Makes for slower commute but the up and down adds a level of fun.
I'm here in Thalahasse visiting my son and brought my commuter with me. Some killer hills in town! Had to use gears I never used before in south Florida! I like it! Makes for slower commute but the up and down adds a level of fun.
Killer hills in Tallahassee? Where do you usually ride? Northern Florida doesn't strike me as hilly, but I guess that shows it depends on your perspective.
@Hypno Toad, I guess if he hasn't tried it, he doesn't know what he's missing. But it's pretty arrogant of him to dismiss what you're saying without experience. He could have expressed surprise instead of doubt. Some people!
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Oh, I forgot to mention another bragging point! I never shifted to my small chainring! I never needed to.
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Congratulation! Sure doesn't look like an easy ride from the track and elevation gain and lost and the distance in between them. I would like to try something like this some day, just to see my level of fitness.
I'm here in Thalahasse visiting my son and brought my commuter with me. Some killer hills in town! Had to use gears I never used before in south Florida! I like it! Makes for slower commute but the up and down adds a level of fun.
I'm here in Thalahasse visiting my son and brought my commuter with me. Some killer hills in town! Had to use gears I never used before in south Florida! I like it! Makes for slower commute but the up and down adds a level of fun.
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I do a ten week century training program that I saw published in BICYCLING MAGAZINE years ago. There are two variations, called Easy Century Training, or With Strength to Spare. I do the latter one, and it is about the most time I can spare to train. Fortunately I cycle commute, so that's where I do it by lengthening my usual 14 mile one way distance (Commuter Rail home with bike). I find that the schedule motivates me to keep up, and it's very satisfying to plug the data into my Excel spreadsheet and watch the charts expand. My modification of the plan is to make Sunday my rest day, and Saturday is my long ride / Century day.
Due to vagaries of New England weather, I usually begin in April, for the first Century in July. For the past few years it's been one of the Annual Bike Forum Fifty-Plus Rides. I usually retrench down to about week six through late July and August, and ramp up in September for a second late September local annual charity ride (The Rodman Ride for Kids). Then I gradually taper down and by November I slog my way through winter with my minimal 14 mile commute (as daily as possible) until April again.
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WITH STRENGTH TO SPARE: Mon. Tues. Wed. Thurs. Fri. Sat. Sun. Weekly Easy* Pace* Brisk* Pace* Pace* Pace* Mileage 10 12 14 Off 12 40 15 103 10 13 15 Off 13 44 17 112 10 15 15 Off 15 48 18 123 11 16 19 Off 16 53 20 135 12 18 20 Off 18 59 22 149 13 19 23 Off 19 64 24 162 14 20 25 Off 20 71 27 177 16 20 27 Off 20 75 27 177 17 20 30 Off 20 75 32 194 19 20 30 Off 10 5 Easy Century 184 1,516 EASY CENTURY TRAINING: Week Mon. Tues. Wed. Thurs. Fri. Sat. Sun. Weekly Easy* Pace* Brisk* Pace* Pace* Pace* Mileage 1 6 10 12 Off 10 30 9 77 2 7 11 13 Off 11 34 10 86 3 8 13 15 Off 13 38 11 98 4 8 14 17 Off 14 42 13 108 5 9 15 19 Off 15 47 14 119 6 11 15 21 Off 15 53 16 131 7 12 15 24 Off 15 59 18 143 8 13 15 25 Off 15 65 20 153 9 15 15 25 Off 15 65 20 155 Cent Week 15 15 25 Off 10 5 Easy Century 170
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Nice job Tom! I wanted to ride that but this weekend was booked so hopefully next year. I think my 13 mile hilly commute through Yonkers has made my legs comfortable with climbing hills.
Ohh and what bike did you ride?
Ohh and what bike did you ride?
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congrats [MENTION=152773]noglider[/MENTION] ! how wonderful. i did something similar (altho a lot less) - a 30 mile ride 2 weeks ago and noticed how easy it was and how fast it was over. i thought to myself, that's it? and it was beautiful. i'm pretty sure if i wanted to, i could do 60 miles. i did take a nap 3 hours later and slept like a bear. hahah.
it sounds like the 13 mile commute was the perfect training schedule!
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I have only one on-road toolkit, and I forgot to bring it with me from the city. I cobbled together another one, with a spare tube, allen keys, and tire levers. When I finished the ride, I realized I had forgotten a pump! I was lucky I didn't get a flat. If I had gotten one, I would have had to borrow a pump from someone.
Pictures will follow soon.
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Well done!
I'm also in the commuting as training camp. I have a number of detours where I can use a country road for intervals or the bike trail for tempo, depending on the day's workout. Also, if I ride from work to a group ride, and then ride home, that technically counts as commuting. A lot of racers I know combine commuting and training. A friend of mine who's a former state TT champ will occasionally ride his TT bike to work.
I'm also in the commuting as training camp. I have a number of detours where I can use a country road for intervals or the bike trail for tempo, depending on the day's workout. Also, if I ride from work to a group ride, and then ride home, that technically counts as commuting. A lot of racers I know combine commuting and training. A friend of mine who's a former state TT champ will occasionally ride his TT bike to work.
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That's terrific! I discovered something similar on a smaller scale last year. I had been commuting 12 miles round trip for about eight or nine months and not doing any other kind of riding. Then one weekend, I thought I'd go out for a little spin just for fun. I came back 35 miles later and felt like I could have kept going another 35. I was really surprised because I don't push myself on my commute at all. It adds up.
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I suppose what one does is a factor. Someone locked in a cubicle or office all day is going to have more energy to burn than someone doing a physical job in the outdoors. After 10 hours of making deliveries, sometimes leisurely is all I can manage.
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