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HardyWeinberg 07-21-15 03:46 PM

hackable cars
 

To better simulate the experience of driving a vehicle while it’s being hijacked by an invisible, virtual force, Miller and Valasek refused to tell me ahead of time what kinds of attacks they planned to launch from Miller’s laptop in his house 10 miles west. Instead, they merely assured me that they wouldn’t do anything life-threatening. Then they told me to drive the Jeep onto the highway. “Remember, Andy,” Miller had said through my iPhone’s speaker just before I pulled onto the Interstate 64 on-ramp, “no matter what happens, don’t panic.”
Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway?With Me in It | WIRED

Maybe I will not upgrade to Di2

ThermionicScott 07-21-15 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg (Post 18001183)

I dunno. I'm much more concerned about hacked cars behind me than my bike deciding not to shift.

bigbenaugust 07-22-15 07:06 AM


“When you lose faith that a car will do what you tell it to do,” Miller observed at the time, “it really changes your whole view of how the thing works.”
... aaaand you go get a bicycle (without Di2!). :)

Ubermich 07-22-15 08:21 AM

Be more worried about card with devices such as OnStar/UConnect/Sync/Entune, where the remote access system is tied to the CAN bus.

If you don't have a system such as OnStar, a hacker would have to physically access the vehicle to hack its systems. Note that ANY vehicle since 1996 can be hacked to at least stop running. The OBD2 and CAN standards ensure this by standardizing the way sensors and computers in the car talk to each other. Without a wireless network, a hacker would have to access the vehicle, tap into the network, and install hardware to allow him to perform the exploits either locally or remotely. In either case, it would be significantly more challenging and just as obvious as say cutting the left front brake line or cutting the wiring to the fuel pump.

The hacks these guys showed off on the Prius a couple years ago were really irrelevant until automakers started making remote access a common feature (and apparently not very securely). Welcome to the information age!

alan s 07-22-15 09:46 AM

Now if you cause an accident, you can just say someone must have hacked into your car and taken control.

Matariki 07-22-15 10:30 AM

May be useful if you could disable all of the distractions they build into cars these days.

spivonious 07-22-15 10:47 AM

Another article about hacking through the digital radio. Car hack uses digital-radio broadcasts to seize control - BBC News

No OnStar required.

Ubermich 07-22-15 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by spivonious (Post 18003583)
Another article about hacking through the digital radio. Car hack uses digital-radio broadcasts to seize control - BBC News

No OnStar required.

"Internet connected entertainment system." Technologically very similar to OnStar and in the same family. OnStar/Entune/Sync/Uconnect are all in the same family just from different brands. OnStar is sort of the mother of the others. When GM came out with OnStar, I think most other manufacturers stayed away from the concept because they thought it was going to be a fad. As soon as it became clear that drivers were more interested in being users other automakers started incorporating as much internet connectivity they could (Entune/Sync/Uconnect/etc) and it was much easier to build it into the nav unit than to tie a standalone system into the car.

Calling the hack "using a digital-radio broadcast" is a little deceptive. That suggests they were using HD Radio signals when they were actually using internet connectivity to a radio on the CAN bus.


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