hackable cars
07-21-15 | 03:46 PM
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hackable cars
To better simulate the experience of driving a vehicle while it’s being hijacked by an invisible, virtual force, Miller and Valasek refused to tell me ahead of time what kinds of attacks they planned to launch from Miller’s laptop in his house 10 miles west. Instead, they merely assured me that they wouldn’t do anything life-threatening. Then they told me to drive the Jeep onto the highway. “Remember, Andy,” Miller had said through my iPhone’s speaker just before I pulled onto the Interstate 64 on-ramp, “no matter what happens, don’t panic.”
Maybe I will not upgrade to Di2
07-21-15 | 10:23 PM
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07-22-15 | 07:06 AM
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“When you lose faith that a car will do what you tell it to do,” Miller observed at the time, “it really changes your whole view of how the thing works.”
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--Ben
2006 Trek SU100, 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX, 2011 Motobecane Fantom Cross Uno, and a Bakfiets
Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
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07-22-15 | 08:21 AM
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Be more worried about card with devices such as OnStar/UConnect/Sync/Entune, where the remote access system is tied to the CAN bus.
If you don't have a system such as OnStar, a hacker would have to physically access the vehicle to hack its systems. Note that ANY vehicle since 1996 can be hacked to at least stop running. The OBD2 and CAN standards ensure this by standardizing the way sensors and computers in the car talk to each other. Without a wireless network, a hacker would have to access the vehicle, tap into the network, and install hardware to allow him to perform the exploits either locally or remotely. In either case, it would be significantly more challenging and just as obvious as say cutting the left front brake line or cutting the wiring to the fuel pump.
The hacks these guys showed off on the Prius a couple years ago were really irrelevant until automakers started making remote access a common feature (and apparently not very securely). Welcome to the information age!
If you don't have a system such as OnStar, a hacker would have to physically access the vehicle to hack its systems. Note that ANY vehicle since 1996 can be hacked to at least stop running. The OBD2 and CAN standards ensure this by standardizing the way sensors and computers in the car talk to each other. Without a wireless network, a hacker would have to access the vehicle, tap into the network, and install hardware to allow him to perform the exploits either locally or remotely. In either case, it would be significantly more challenging and just as obvious as say cutting the left front brake line or cutting the wiring to the fuel pump.
The hacks these guys showed off on the Prius a couple years ago were really irrelevant until automakers started making remote access a common feature (and apparently not very securely). Welcome to the information age!
07-22-15 | 10:47 AM
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Another article about hacking through the digital radio. Car hack uses digital-radio broadcasts to seize control - BBC News
No OnStar required.
No OnStar required.
07-22-15 | 12:41 PM
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Another article about hacking through the digital radio. Car hack uses digital-radio broadcasts to seize control - BBC News
No OnStar required.
No OnStar required.
Calling the hack "using a digital-radio broadcast" is a little deceptive. That suggests they were using HD Radio signals when they were actually using internet connectivity to a radio on the CAN bus.
