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Old 12-14-15 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LateSleeper
If it's daytime, I'm flashing both front and rear.
I forgot to mention I was solely talking about using lights in the dark. I usually don't use lights during bright daytime. If I do use a flashing/strobing front light, it has to be a light that has little throw but mainly flood (could be very bright, nonetheless). I think a very bright white light with long throw in flashing mode is ultra annoying, though during daytime less so.
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Old 12-15-15 | 11:14 AM
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Sounds like I'm the only one who uses exclusively steady lights both front and rear, ankle reflectors and a reflective vest. Here's my rationale FWIW:
1) Germans make the best bike lights and they don’t blink
2) I have never seen any scientific evidence to suggest that blinking lights actually make cyclists more visible. I have seen one study which suggests that cyclists overestimate the effectiveness of blinking lights and underestimate the effectiveness of reflectors, which is interesting
3) No sober, attentive driver will hit you from behind if you have a steady tail-light and plenty of reflectors and no amount of flashing lights will protect you from drunks or texters
4) I can’t imagine anyone hitting me head-on, ever. If they did I would consider that to be my fault
5) People pull out in front of me all the time, even when I’m driving a car, again my responsibility to look out for cars pulling out in front of me. It’s easy enough to anticipate, slow down for a few seconds and not get all huffy about it
6) Blinking lights are more annoying than steady lights, and I prefer not to be an annoying person
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Old 12-15-15 | 11:42 AM
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Oh! That kind of flashing!


I think the steady on mode of most blinking lights is so they can be legal in the U.K. and Germany. If I have it right. There are also other locations that require steady lights, I believe.
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Old 12-15-15 | 11:45 AM
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Indeed I do, but recently I have taken up “cycling.” Last week I responded to this video of a bike-car accident:

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…On your video, it seemed the driver came in from the right side. I have for years sought out something for side illumination. A couple weeks ago an article in the Boston Globe reported something to the effect that illumination of the pedaling motion is more effective than a simply flashing light to signal a cyclist.

It just so happened...this afternoon I was at REI, and bought a set of a small red and white light that look like they can easily and securely fit onto my reflective ankle straps. I figure I will use the red one directly behind my left ankle for traffic behind me, and the white one on the lateral side of my right ankle. I can’t say it might have helped prevent your crash, but it a simple add-on…
So here are what they look like. Note that I had to clip the lights vertically on the inside of the leg bands to expose maximal brightness from the undersurface, because the lights are meant to be mounted horizontally. The battery life is touted as Front: 16 hrs flashing, 8 hrs steady; Rear: 48 hrs flashing, 24 hrs steady.



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I have not seen lighted leg/arm bands, other than those clumsy cylindrical lights of the 1970’s requiring two D-cell batteries with yellow and red lenses…

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A few examples:…

From the reviews the first one (Planet Bike) sounds like of good quality. I got the cheap one in the one in the last link. They use button batteries, probably not as bright as the Planet Bike product but better than simply reflective straps that I used to use. What especially like is they don't use velcro. They are nice even just for the elastic to hold one's pants in windy weather.
Thanks for your reply. I haven't seen such products at a few of the (quality) bike shops I visit but maybe I didn't look too hard. The new lights are Planet Bike "Spok" [sic] though not spoke lights but can go onto the wheel hub according to package.

I don't recall seeing lit leg bands on other cyclists out on the road either. I cycle-commute in the early morning in the vicinity of Kenmore Square, a major transportation hub, and the Harvard Medical School and Hospitals, partly on a MUP, so I see a lot of well-lit cycle commuters. I do recall once seeing a well-appointed rider with right and left reflective leg bands, and that caught my eye. I started to wear both leg bands soon after that encounter.

I have seen a few runners with illuminated arm bands.
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Old 12-15-15 | 11:53 AM
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Flashing lights are more readily seen.
Public safety emergency vehicles use flashing lights.
Aircraft use flashing lights.
When I bicycle, I use flashing lights.
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Old 12-15-15 | 12:07 PM
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I use flashing lights in the AM and PM, unfortunately they can be blinding if you are close, but i think that's good b/c when we're close, everyone slows down.

mostly i want the attention of motorists driving way too fast for city limits (pretty much all of them).
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Old 12-15-15 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by canklecat

I often see folks walking with their dogs in the evening and many of them do wear some reflective bits - bands, strips, dog collars, etc. But with my bicycle headlights I find them hard to see unless the light is pointed right at them.
I've seen a few dog walkers using lights around here, and saw a dog wearing a puplight (it's a headlamp for a dog that goes around their neck) last week. My Mom got one of those for her dog and it's great when he goes out at night, but I'd never seen one on a dog while I was bicycling. It sure made the dog more noticeable.
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Old 12-15-15 | 01:29 PM
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Sounds like I'm the only one who uses exclusively steady lights both front and rear, ankle reflectors and a reflective vest. Here's my rationale FWIW:
1) Germans make the best bike lights and they don’t blink
2) I have never seen any scientific evidence to suggest that blinking lights actually make cyclists more visible. I have seen one study which suggests that cyclists overestimate the effectiveness of blinking lights and underestimate the effectiveness of reflectors, which is interesting
3) No sober, attentive driver will hit you from behind if you have a steady tail-light and plenty of reflectors and no amount of flashing lights will protect you from drunks or texters
4) I can’t imagine anyone hitting me head-on, ever. If they did I would consider that to be my fault
5) People pull out in front of me all the time, even when I’m driving a car, again my responsibility to look out for cars pulling out in front of me. It’s easy enough to anticipate, slow down for a few seconds and not get all huffy about it
6) Blinking lights are more annoying than steady lights, and I prefer not to be an annoying person
You're not the only one. I prefer my lights on steady, mostly because of your reason number 6. Flashing rear lights annoy me, so I don't like to subject other people to them.

I'm convinced that my bright steady lights along with my reflective jacket make me plenty visible to anyone who is even looking at the road.

I also find plausible the reasoning that people can't judge the speed of a flashing light (which would include the speed at which they are approaching said light) and that people (especially drunk people) tend to fixate on flashing lights and drift toward them (like a mountain biker running into the rock he can't stop looking at). I am not certain that these arguments are correct, but I judge them to be more likely to be correct than any claim that my steady light isn't sufficiently visible.
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Old 12-15-15 | 02:58 PM
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I might as well admit to being something of a voyeur. So I like to flash. And check out others too - especially the girls.
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Old 12-15-15 | 03:50 PM
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6) Blinking lights are more annoying than steady lights, and I prefer not to be an annoying person
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Originally Posted by justadude
Flashing lights are more readily seen.
Public safety emergency vehicles use flashing lights.
Aircraft use flashing lights.
But normal vehicles use steady lights.
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Old 12-15-15 | 04:09 PM
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But normal vehicles use steady lights.
When trying to be polite instead of safe.
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Old 12-15-15 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Walter S
When trying to be polite instead of safe.
Flashing lights are on and off, how is it safer than a steady light? Police and emergency vehicles have rotating/flare lights rather than flashing lights.
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Old 12-15-15 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
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Indeed I do, but recently I have taken up “cycling.”
Excellent!~
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Old 12-15-15 | 04:35 PM
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Flashing lights are on and off, how is it safer than a steady light? Police and emergency vehicles have rotating/flare lights rather than flashing lights.
Flashing catches the eye. People figured that out long ago when they made that the convention for emergencies.
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Old 12-15-15 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by vol
Flashing lights are on and off, how is it safer than a steady light? Police and emergency vehicles have rotating/flare lights rather than flashing lights.
Around here the old gumball rotating lights have been replaced by flashing lights.
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Old 12-15-15 | 08:12 PM
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Now put your lights on steady and stop over-inflating your tires!
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Old 12-15-15 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy_K
Quote from that article: "In fact, when riding on a shoulder at night, it may be safest to be invisible. The odds that a driver will swerve randomly onto the shoulder and hit you may be smaller than the odds of attracting an impaired driver through target fixation." I wonder if the author practices his own theory.

Regarding reflectives, my observation is that, yes, they can be very visible, but the visibility usually is in just a passing moment, maybe repeated, when the light source happens to shine in the "right" angle, which is not lasting, whereas lights don't rely on another light source.

And by the way, reflectives in pictures always appear exaggerated, more dramatic than reality.

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Old 12-15-15 | 11:14 PM
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Quote from that article: "In fact, when riding on a shoulder at night, it may be safest to be invisible. The odds that a driver will swerve randomly onto the shoulder and hit you may be smaller than the odds of attracting an impaired driver through target fixation." I wonder if the author practices his own theory.
Yeah, I definitely think he oversold his point there. As for reflectives, I wouldn't trust just reflection to keep me visible, but I think it can be a better supplement to a steady light than flashing is, especially if it's a moving reflective surface like something on the pedals or feet.
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Old 12-16-15 | 07:56 AM
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flashing lights means more is visible, which is the idea.
this includes reflective gear.

better to be alive than be considered annoying.
and better to have all parties slow down and careful than to have someone zoom by thinking they have clearance.

a car's headlights are far stronger than a bicycle light. if i used a car's head-light and tail-light while cycling then yes i'd use a steady stream. like how motorcycle lights are. but i don't, i use a bicycle light which is tiny and pretty silly if i think people will see me in cars/motorcycles going at high speeds. for a bicycle riding by a pedestrian it's enough to be seen, but not motorists going at speed - motorists won't see it when approaching at high speeds unless the lumens is 1000+.

also, a steady small light can deceive in terms of perceived distances. it could feel far away for the motorist when in fact it is extremely close.

not something i think worth messing with.
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Old 12-16-15 | 08:03 AM
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My wife was drove past me last night and she said that my headlight on my bike was as bright as a car headlight! (Cygolite Expilion 850 lumen) I had a small little LED blinky on my fork and she said she did not see it. (it is pretty pathetic) She said the headlight was amazingly bright. I was also wearing reflective suspenders and she said she could not see them either. I think they work better for people coming up behind me instead of coming at me. She said that the headlight looked like a car headlight. [the low battery indicator was blinking at me at this point, good to know it is still bright] I was running it solid at this point in my ride. I sometimes switch to steady pulse. I said wait until i get my other headlight on my helmet. the problem is that I switch helmets. I guess i just need a second mount then I can move the light back and forth.
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Old 12-16-15 | 08:56 AM
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You'd think there'd be a more definitive study on whether blinking or steady light is better/safer for cyclist by now. I use both a blinking rear light on my seatpost and a steady one on the rear of my helmet, but lately I've added a blinking to my left arm and a steady one on my backpack. My philosophy is that more is always better when it comes to being visible, even if it annoys other drivers or cyclists. Hopefully they don't hit me because they're annoyed by my lights. But at least they saw me though, right?

On the front I run a steady, very bright white light in the morning, and I use the blinking mode on the afternoon ride home.
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Old 12-16-15 | 05:09 PM
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Light designers need to come up with better lights, lights that are both effective in visibility and not annoying, so we don't have to choose between two imperfections. Maybe some high quality expensive taillights have the desired modes/patterns, such as slow pulsing without going completely off at any given moment (e.g. high--low--high--low, instead of on--off--on--off), or flare/rolling/rotating patterns There are some lights with rotating patterns but they are not very bright (the makers are not very bright ).

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a steady small light can deceive in terms of perceived distances. it could feel far away for the motorist when in fact it is extremely close.
On the contrary, what you say applies to flashing small light rather than (or much more than) steady small light. The motorist doesn't necessarily think it's far away: they cannot tell whether it's far away or close. A steady light gives them time to figure it out.

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Old 12-18-15 | 04:22 PM
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I only have one light set to flash and that is the light on the back of my helmet. All others are set to non flashing mode.
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Old 12-18-15 | 09:35 PM
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I was at an intersectoin waiting to cross the street this evening. I saw a car coming and after it passed I was about to cross (very empty street and most people cross when no car around). Then all of a sudden there was a flash of white light from a delivery guy on the bike. I didn't even know he was coming because his front light was on flash mode and was completely dark when I looked at the car and surroundings, and he was in dark clothing. If he used a steady front light it would have been very clear.
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Old 12-20-15 | 04:27 AM
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I don't care if I'm annoying someone in a vehicle and I'm pretty sure the flash mode on my Fenix BT-10 headlight is annoying. It is a brilliant flashing strobe that lights up an entire intersection and I switch it to flash just about every intersection I ride up to. Likewise, I have a PDW Danger Zone running in the back on the epileptic seizure inducing 'a-Ha' mode. Motorists seem to see me.
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