Full Frame Bag?
 

I have always wondered why bicycle bag inventors seemed to ignore that giant triangular space below the crossbar and above the bottom bracket. Now, I am seeing lots of frame bags that turn this area into storage space. Like this one... http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=507837

The one problem I see with this type of bag is that it eliminates the space for my two water bottle carriers. If there was a bag like this with a good, convenient spot for a couple of bottles, I'd buy one in a second.

Can anybody who uses a full frame bag tell me how you carry your water bottles?

The bags are primarily being marketed towards bikepacking, so I suspect the vast majority use hydration packs.
You could always use saddle mounted bottle launchers if you only wanted the frame bag for commuting. Or simply do without water (short distance commuting).

Handlebar buckets. Fit two nalgene bottles and are partially insulated

I guess I should have mentioned that I use my commuting bike for short touring, as well. On my commute, I barely get through half a bottle, but on tours, I need to start with at least two full.

On my handlebars, I've got a speaker and mp3 player, a headlight, and shifters that take a lot of space, so handlebar buckets are probably out of the question. And I would still need my rear panniers for touring, so the saddle launchers wouldn't fit too well.

I guess I am hoping someone will come up with a frame bag that incorporates at least one bottle holder.

So long as you don't need to drink while under way, how about using your fork?

http://www.bikeforums.net/touring/71...ttle-cage.html

Relevate Designs Tangle bags often leave room for water bottles. My fatbike commuter has a full frame bag and just put a water bottle in the bag. For things that don't close well, like my Oxo coffee mug, a Relevate Feed Bag is used as a handlebar bottle holder.

Just push the bag out of the way, over the water bottle.

I repurposed my old Lowepro Off Trail camera waist bag as a handlebar bag. The lens pouches hold water bottles or thermoses just fine. So if I used a frame bag I'd still have easy access to water bottles. But mostly I use the lens pouches to hold my cell phone, compact camera, glasses or sunglasses, anything I need quick access to.

If I was bikepacking I'd consider a frame bag, but for my casual rides up to 30 miles or so I'd be more concerned about the frame bag acting as a sail. My favorite rural ride route gets quite a bit of wind and even my trunk bag or small panniers can catch some wind and drag things down.

Wow! I didn't think of that. In fact, I always wondered why there were no full frame storage compartments made of metal or some other solid material. I suppose that would create even more of a challenge in the wind. Canklecat, you talked me out of it!

I use a partial frame bag, and the windage is not an issue. It's low and in the middle of the bike. Pretty much any bag will create windage, as will your body. Nothing special about the windage from a frame bag over any other bag.

I Bought a CX race level cyclocross bike frame and fork in the 80's . it had no bottle mounts

so I put an on the handlebars Bottle cage mount on it. My bike in the 50's I had a bar mount for 2.




Maybe you can lease the sides of the bag to advertizers?

Someone made a wooden one You open it to find a Bar inside .

Cross winds was the first thing I thought of. A trunk bag, your body, etc. I think would be a lot less of a problem than filling in that entire triangle basically completely catching all of the cross wind.

I think what captivated me about a full frame storage compartment all along was the way it seems to turn the bicycle into a "legitimate" transportation vehicle. Trunk bags and panniers are cool (I've got these already), but they fit more into the "isn't that cute" category than the "Whoa! That's functional" category.

The reason my ultimate full-frame "bag" would be made of metal and fitted with a lock is that I'd like to be able to pull up to a place on my bike, lock it, and go inside without worrying about who is going to have the cojones to pull off the rack bag while I am inside. Just like when I drive my car somewhere. I lock the door and I am done.

Anyway, I think I'm over it now.

Racktop bags and panniers aren't functional????

[MENTION=137127]Papa Tom[/MENTION] A metal compartment within the main triangle could have much of the material in the sides cnc'ed out for weight reduction and reduction in wind profile.

And although the idea is not without some charm, it does seem like a good way to end up with a 70-pound tank of a bike if you're not careful.

What does "cnc'd" mean?

I think they mean machined out.

Exactly my question. I would not want to transfer a couple pannier loads of stuff into the space between my knees. I like it out of the way and with a low center of gravity.

First of all, frame bags aren't all that wide or your legs would be rubbing on them, and second, there is no way you could fit a couple panniers worth of gear in one. They just aren't that large. Do a little research for volume comparisons, and you'll find a single Ortlieb pannier holds about the same or more, depending on the frame size. I don't notice a significant difference in handling due to a slightly higher center of gravity. Also, wind from the side does not affect handling at all, and the front windage is greatly reduced compared to a pannier. Having the side windage in the middle of the bike is actually advantageous with respect to handling. Also, a frame bag is so well strapped to the bike that it doesn't move around at all vs. a pannier, which also improves handling.

It would help if some of the folks commenting on frame bags actually tried them before providing their opinions. I'm not advocating the use of frame bags over panniers or vice versa (I use both), but something more than pure speculation would be nice. Not meant as a criticism, but it seems like some people throw their opinion out there to see if someone takes issue with it, rather than asking a question with the goal of getting more information.

Actually, I find these are are easier to grab from while under way than triangle cages.

Get a grip. I was just making the point that even if it did fit I wouldn't go there. I have a frame bag too. I quit using it and decided it was one of the more useless things I've purchased.

I would not use it as my only carrier for touring. I was really just considering one for my daily commute. The idea was to leave my trunk bag/pannier set at home until I needed them for a long trip. On tour, it would probably just carry spare tubes, tools, and maybe a few donuts (for as long as THEY last!). There would never be a problem with the bag chafing my thighs or scraping my ankles.

I have never noticed any effect from side wind on the frame bag, but I think it's because it's not rigidly attached so there is lower impulse to the top tube from side pressure. Plus, there isn't all that much extra side area compared to carrying the same stuff in a bag on your back, or on the rack.

I've considered building a rigid frame compartment thinking it might be more convenient, look better, maybe hold more. But when I go to mock it up I don't really see any of those advantages so I've abandoned the idea.

I don't like a rack on my road bike, and a backpack is awkward if you ride with lower back angles, so I hang a bag from the top tube. I can't see using the frame bag an a bike where I do have a rack, unless I was carting a lot of stuff on the commute and needed both.

I don't know why frame bags aren't more popular on road bikes though. In the couple of years that I've used one I've seen literally no one else commuting with a frame bag. Probably there are some misconceptions about them, like acting like sails, making you ride bow-legged and so on.

Yeah, my comment dismissing frame bags applies to my specific setup. I can especially see a frame bag making sense when you don't already have racks etc.

I have a frame bag and I have been using it on my bike that does not have a rear rack. For the spring rides I need to have enough space for my jacket and some colder temp gear. It has been working well even with the cross winds. It seems odd that the OP thinks that this is a relatively new idea, my frame bag is 30 years old. Maybe it just never caught on 30 years ago so they quit making them. mine was made my velocipac.

I wouldn't be deterred from a frame bag if I lived or commuted in an area without strong side winds. A frame bag could be pretty handy. But my area has some stiff winds at times and it's easier to remove a trunk bag or panniers if needed. A compact frame bag with quick releases might be okay in my area.

Sunday afternoon I wanted to test some new panniers -- empty -- on an east-west route with south winds at a steady 11 mph and gusts up to 30 mph. I didn't notice the steady wind causing any particular problems but a couple of gusts felt like someone had shoved the rear of the bike sideways.

I wouldn't mind a frame bag so my pump/tools/lock/tube could stay out of my panniers every day. I'm just looking for one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg for bikepackers.

I could get behind this aspect, smaller stuff that generally stays on the bike. I couldn't use one alone for my commute, I have to bring a full change of clothes, etc.

I am also having wild ideas about making one... but there simply isn't time for that stuff with riding weather coming up, bikes to fix, a bathroom to finish, and a baby on the way.