What is the actual effect of IGH on speed?
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I wasn't annoyed by the suggestion (not sure if you were referring to me), just explaining why I believe you don't find 3 speeds with the spacing you're looking for.
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No I wasn't referring to you, and after 45 years in the bicycle industry, I'm aware of the market forces that drive which products are made available, and which aren't.
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Sure, there are other things besides hub efficiency that matter more when it comes to overall efficiency. So what? Even as a commuter I want the most efficiency I can get in all areas down the line. Even little things add up.
My regular geared commuter is a 1x9. 42 x 12-26. The middle three gears get most of the use, so that's really all I need. Especially considering that I just as often do my commute on a SSFG.
A lightweight close ratio 3 speed hub with low drag would interest me. The present wide ratio units do not. Extra weight and drag for very little benefit in my situation. Obviously they fill the bill for some cyclists, and that's seriously great!
My regular geared commuter is a 1x9. 42 x 12-26. The middle three gears get most of the use, so that's really all I need. Especially considering that I just as often do my commute on a SSFG.
A lightweight close ratio 3 speed hub with low drag would interest me. The present wide ratio units do not. Extra weight and drag for very little benefit in my situation. Obviously they fill the bill for some cyclists, and that's seriously great!
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How feasible would it be to have a sun gear and planet gears custom made to adjust a hub's ratios? I know some machinists.
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Easier to find are older 5s hubs, which have the central 3 gears closer spaced than the classic AW. If you can find (and afford) a vintage hub there's the AM (looking for one myself) and the ultra close AC.
FWIW it's the AM's ratios of 87/100/116 that I'm suggesting are about right for GP urban/flat riders, vs. the typical 75/100/133 of most 3s hubs.
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Making good gears is a specialty job but like threads, it can be done on convetional machine tools if you have the right accessories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_cutting
This is an excellent shortcut for a neighborhood machine shop
Spur Gears Stock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_cutting
This is an excellent shortcut for a neighborhood machine shop
Spur Gears Stock
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Not very. Not only do you need to cut the various gears, but you'd need to replace the planet cage since the center of the planets will change. Basically, you're building an entirely new hub. It would be easier to seek out an older or vintage hub.
Easier to find are older 5s hubs, which have the central 3 gears closer spaced than the classic AW. If you can find (and afford) a vintage hub there's the AM (looking for one myself) and the ultra close AC.
FWIW it's the AM's ratios of 87/100/116 that I'm suggesting are about right for GP urban/flat riders, vs. the typical 75/100/133 of most 3s hubs.
Easier to find are older 5s hubs, which have the central 3 gears closer spaced than the classic AW. If you can find (and afford) a vintage hub there's the AM (looking for one myself) and the ultra close AC.
FWIW it's the AM's ratios of 87/100/116 that I'm suggesting are about right for GP urban/flat riders, vs. the typical 75/100/133 of most 3s hubs.
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I would use an IGH with belt drive on my winter bike when they come up with a reliable IGH that can be shifted with normal road shifters. My impression is the only reliable hub is a Rohloff and for that you need to add some type of rotary shifter to the tops of your bars.
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It would be possible to make a planetary hub with a closer ratio, but the 4:3 ratio is kinda optimal because the sun and planet gears are of equal diameter. Moving too far away from that ratio results in either a tiny sun, or tiny planet gears, that might not be as robust mechanically, or require a bigger ring gear.
Probably for this reason, the narrow range AC hub has two planetary mechanisms, which adds cost and complexity:
https://www.sturmey-archerheritage.co...s/pic-70.1.jpg
Probably for this reason, the narrow range AC hub has two planetary mechanisms, which adds cost and complexity:
https://www.sturmey-archerheritage.co...s/pic-70.1.jpg
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It would be possible to make a planetary hub with a closer ratio, but the 4:3 ratio is kinda optimal because the sun and planet gears are of equal diameter. Moving too far away from that ratio results in either a tiny sun, or tiny planet gears, that might not be as robust mechanically, or require a bigger ring gear.
Probably for this reason, the narrow range AC hub has two planetary mechanisms, which adds cost and complexity:
https://www.sturmey-archerheritage.co...s/pic-70.1.jpg
Probably for this reason, the narrow range AC hub has two planetary mechanisms, which adds cost and complexity:
https://www.sturmey-archerheritage.co...s/pic-70.1.jpg
First of all, a 4:5, 5:6 or even 6:7 (which is just about what I'm looking for) wouldn't be that problematic, and shouldn't need two stages like an AC which is 12:13. (or close to that)
Issues relating to pinion size can be address by using a larger ring or compound planets, or both.
The issue isn't technical, it's economics and marketing. Tooling various hubs is expensive, and the aftermarket too small. For a mid range 3-5 speed single stage hub to happen would require a forward thinking OEM to market a purpose built urban/flat area bike using it.
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This is partly true, but can be overcome.
First of all, a 4:5, 5:6 or even 6:7 (which is just about what I'm looking for) wouldn't be that problematic, and shouldn't need two stages like an AC which is 12:13. (or close to that)
Issues relating to pinion size can be address by using a larger ring or compound planets, or both.
The issue isn't technical, it's economics and marketing. Tooling various hubs is expensive, and the aftermarket too small. For a mid range 3-5 speed single stage hub to happen would require a forward thinking OEM to market a purpose built urban/flat area bike using it.
First of all, a 4:5, 5:6 or even 6:7 (which is just about what I'm looking for) wouldn't be that problematic, and shouldn't need two stages like an AC which is 12:13. (or close to that)
Issues relating to pinion size can be address by using a larger ring or compound planets, or both.
The issue isn't technical, it's economics and marketing. Tooling various hubs is expensive, and the aftermarket too small. For a mid range 3-5 speed single stage hub to happen would require a forward thinking OEM to market a purpose built urban/flat area bike using it.
If someone could design an efficient adjustable ratio gear system, that would be a different story.
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