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RubeRad 05-04-16 07:56 AM

I was mildly interested in a non-weight-weenie/non-potential-customer way until I saw this:


The majority of road bicycles have two different skewer lengths. Bicycles with rim breaks...

bmthom.gis 05-04-16 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 18739990)
I was mildly interested in a non-weight-weenie/non-potential-customer way until I saw this:

Rim breaks for life! Or at least until many many many years from now

no1mad 05-04-16 03:26 PM

I like how they claim that their product will make one be a faster commuter- and, yes, that is with the laptop. Same goes for the 'you can tour with it', given the rack has a weight limit of 40 lbs...

If you don't get their bag, yours may not fit or might have heel strike if you can't adjust your mounting hardware. Also, I saw no place to mount a light/reflector.

I'll give them props the product overview, but I'm not part of their potential customer base.

JohnJ80 05-04-16 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by no1mad (Post 18741384)
I like how they claim that their product will make one be a faster commuter- and, yes, that is with the laptop. Same goes for the 'you can tour with it', given the rack has a weight limit of 40 lbs...

If you don't get their bag, yours may not fit or might have heel strike if you can't adjust your mounting hardware. Also, I saw no place to mount a light/reflector.

I'll give them props the product overview, but I'm not part of their potential customer base.

This is perfect for light weight touring. I've done 6 week tours (including camping gear) with 25 lbs per person. THis would be more than enough.

J.

JohnJ80 05-04-16 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 18739990)
I was mildly interested in a non-weight-weenie/non-potential-customer way until I saw this:

Kickstarter update today. They have a gadget that they are designing that works with the rack dropouts on any bike. Also the skewer will work with either 130 or 135mm spacing.

J.

Darth Lefty 05-04-16 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 18739990)
I was mildly interested in a non-weight-weenie/non-potential-customer way until I saw this:


Originally Posted by JohnJ80 (Post 18741523)
Kickstarter update today. They have a gadget that they are designing that works with the rack dropouts on any bike. Also the skewer will work with either 130 or 135mm spacing.

J.

"El Duderino" was complaining about the spelling, I think. However, it should be pretty simple to invent a spool that bolts to an eyelet. Something close enough may already exist.

RubeRad 05-04-16 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Darth Lefty (Post 18741569)
Dude was complaining about the spelling, I think.

Yes, Dude was. Or "El Duderino" if you're not into that whole brevity thing

Darth Lefty 05-04-16 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 18741776)
Yes, Dude was. Or "El Duderino" if you're not into that whole brevity thing

So edited

JohnJ80 05-04-16 10:10 PM


Originally Posted by Darth Lefty (Post 18741569)
However, it should be pretty simple to invent a spool that bolts to an eyelet. Something close enough may already exist.

That's pretty much what they are doing. Simple and effective.

J.

bmthom.gis 05-05-16 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Darth Lefty (Post 18741792)
So edited


Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 18741776)
Yes, Dude was. Or "El Duderino" if you're not into that whole brevity thing

Is there any instance in life where The Big L isn't applicable? I honestly didn't even see the spelling error until pointed out.

RubeRad 05-05-16 09:05 AM

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You hang out regularly at BF, how can you not be incredibly sensitized?

Say what you will about the tenets of the National Socialist Party, at least it's an ethos.

Check out my custom-decorated stem:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=519937

techsensei 05-05-16 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by no1mad (Post 18741384)
If you don't get their bag, yours may not fit or might have heel strike if you can't adjust your mounting hardware.

Seems like any other bag must have a very rigid back, otherwise the single stay won't keep the bag from potentially getting caught in the wheel.

GovernorSilver 06-02-16 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 18743015)
You hang out regularly at BF, how can you not be incredibly sensitized?

Say what you will about the tenets of the National Socialist Party, at least it's an ethos.

Check out my custom-decorated stem:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=519937

:thumb:

GovernorSilver 06-02-16 01:26 PM

Tailfin was fully funded on May 31, as well as two stretch goals (rack adapter thingy and clip-on fender)

Hopefully this will lead to a more affordable iteration of this concept down the line. I like the idea of a quick-release rack for a short bike touring/camping trip.

JohnJ80 06-02-16 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by GovernorSilver (Post 18816237)
Tailfin was fully funded on May 31, as well as two stretch goals (rack adapter thingy and clip-on fender)

Hopefully this will lead to a more affordable iteration of this concept down the line. I like the idea of a quick-release rack for a short bike touring/camping trip.

Agree. I think it's a great idea. I'm in for one.

About time someone rethought the design of rear racks.

J.

acidfast7 06-02-16 01:44 PM

damn, that's some expensive **** right there.

i'd go with a titanium Tubus rack for that money.

271g and supports 30kg (66#)

https://www.rosebikes.com/article/tu...ack/aid:193895

and that seatpost connector is crap.

no motor? 06-02-16 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by bigbenaugust (Post 18738268)
Will it accommodate a cat litter bucket? :D

Would that be a carbon fiber kitty liter bucket? :thumb:

ItsJustMe 06-03-16 08:15 AM

Well, at least it probably has a market and it's completely stupid. That's a departure from most bicycle based Kickstarters.

JohnJ80 06-03-16 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 18816295)
damn, that's some expensive **** right there.

i'd go with a titanium Tubus rack for that money.

271g and supports 30kg (66#)

https://www.rosebikes.com/article/tu...ack/aid:193895

and that seatpost connector is crap.

The Tubus Airy is a nice rack - I have one.

The problem with it is that you cannot take the Tubus rack off easily and when you do, you wind up with a handful of little parts that are easily lost. I don't like having the rack on the bike all the time (for a variety of reasons) and want the rack on the bike only for the time I need to use it. Tailfin does that.

J.

corrado33 06-03-16 08:49 AM

I'm sorry, but this is stupid. The "ultra light" rack weighs 275 grams. A typical, good quality (I'm using the Salsa Alternator Standard Rear Rack as a comparison) aluminum rack weighs 765 grams. That's a difference of 490 grams, or about 1 pound. Load the pannier up with 15 pounds of stuff and that's only a 6% difference in weight. That's next to nothing, and shrinks to virtually nothing when you think about pannier, rider, and bike weight as well. You could get that by drinking a bit out of your water bottle before you started off. You could save even more if you went to the bathroom before you left. I bet most people couldn't even pick the heavier loaded bike (by 1 lb) in a blind comparison test.

This product is a way to get money out of people with lots of money and no sense. Race bikes are not meant to have weight mounted on a rack. That's part of the reason why there are no eyelets. For the price of this rack you could buy an entire other bike on bikesdirect and not have to spoil your precious carbon fiber bike.

Anybody who uses racks for serious commuting or touring will NOT want a carbon fiber rack, and anybody who likes to ride their bike quickly will not want a rack on their bike, period. Again, a product for people with more money than sense.

JohnJ80 06-03-16 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by corrado33 (Post 18818096)
I'm sorry, but this is stupid. The "ultra light" rack weighs 275 grams. A typical, good quality (I'm using the Salsa Alternator Standard Rear Rack as a comparison) aluminum rack weighs 765 grams. That's a difference of 490 grams, or about 1 pound. Load the pannier up with 15 pounds of stuff and that's only a 6% difference in weight. That's next to nothing, and shrinks to virtually nothing when you think about pannier, rider, and bike weight as well. You could get that by drinking a bit out of your water bottle before you started off. You could save even more if you went to the bathroom before you left. I bet most people couldn't even pick the heavier loaded bike (by 1 lb) in a blind comparison test.

This product is a way to get money out of people with lots of money and no sense. Race bikes are not meant to have weight mounted on a rack. That's part of the reason why there are no eyelets. For the price of this rack you could buy an entire other bike on bikesdirect and not have to spoil your precious carbon fiber bike.

Anybody who uses racks for serious commuting or touring will NOT want a carbon fiber rack, and anybody who likes to ride their bike quickly will not want a rack on their bike, period. Again, a product for people with more money than sense.

Well, I have done both serious touring and commuting on a race geometry bike. And this is what I want for that application because I can take it off easily and I like how the bike rides. I, personally, find it crazy to tour with more than about 25-30 lbs per person. I have done unsupported tours that way on occasion. That level of weight, loaded properly works on that kind of a bike.

Too, many times, I want to have the ability to carry some extra food for a picnic or a jacket each for my wife and I when on a long road bike or a more fun ride. Prior to this, had to use a seat pack (one of the larger ones). Try that on a racing frame and you can feel what it does to bike handling.

And I don't want another bike because I'd have a bigger problem of needing a bigger storage area to store it (that problem is *far* more expensive than a rack). Buying another bike just to have for a rack? That sounds really foolish to me.

Just because you don't see the need or it's not your application doesn't mean it's bad product or that others are foolish (or stupid - your word) for buying it just because their needs don't match yours. Apparently a whole lot of people disagree with you when you look at the success of this on kickstarter.

J.

bigbenaugust 06-05-16 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by no motor? (Post 18816381)
Would that be a carbon fiber kitty liter bucket? :thumb:

... or a kitty litter bucket with carbon-fiber weave stickers on it. ;)

no motor? 06-06-16 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by bigbenaugust (Post 18823389)
... or a kitty litter bucket with carbon-fiber weave stickers on it. ;)

Obviously, those would be load bearing decals.....:thumb:

Darth Lefty 06-06-16 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by bigbenaugust (Post 18823389)
... or a kitty litter bucket with carbon-fiber weave stickers on it. ;)

Many years ago when I was painting R/C car bodies, I learned you can fake the weave pretty effectively by painting black, then using a rubber drawer liner as a mask and spraying with gunmetal or silver.

http://www.amazon.com/Con-Tact-Premi...5226901&sr=1-9

superdex 06-06-16 11:00 AM

Would.

For the 100mi/week rider with one bike, occasional long jaunts on the weekend without regard to planning around food stops (or planning at all), and the once-a-year credit card tour, this fits the bill really well.

Hardcore commuting? Not the core market....


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