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Old 06-13-16, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
...I'm turning onto a road that has an entire lane marked as shoulder...
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This. Why would you filter past all the cars at the stop sign on a road with no shoulder/bike lane?
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I'm doing the filtering on a road with no shoulder/bike lane. I thought that's what you meant.
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WTF, I live in a perpetual state of vent ...

I'm closing on a house in England within a month and finally have a "tenured professorship" by US standards (not a full chair by UK standards.)

Now have offer to work in rural Switz for 150KCHF/yr but can live in Germany and cycle to work (15km each way). One of four such sites in the world currently, and I think every uni will be building these in 20 years. Will be division head/section chief (less than 10 employees) and have tons of patentable IP to wield in the future.

But, ****, do I wanna move again :/

edit: maybe i'll just put the bars on the bike, go for a ride and forget about this ****.
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On my lunch ride I just went across a very large T intersection - 2 busy traffic lanes in each direction. There's a crosswalk that gums up the entire works and I felt like an ass for hitting the button to go across. I probably brought fifty cars to a stop so I could cross the street. I'm 100% sure an economist would say they all together burned enough extra gasoline and man-hours to totally negate any contributions I've made to the world today. If I took traffic lanes I wouldn't have gone that way through the intersection, but I didn't. I'm selfish and prefer to save my skin.

Maybe I shouldn't feel too bad, the light rail does something similar, many times every day.
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
I never used to but I have started to. There's one specific intersection on my route where I do. It's a stop sign, the cross street is 55 MPH with no stops for miles, there's usually solid lines of cars with breaks sometimes only once a minute that one or two cars can get into, and there are usually 30 or more cars lined up at the sign, almost all of them waiting to turn left.

If I wait in line there, it can easily be 10 minutes to get through the intersection. Last week I started riding through the gravel to get to the front of the line. I stop between two cars that both have their left turn signals on so that I can turn left on a wide line outside of their line and not risk getting plowed into by someone going straight. I'm turning onto a road that has an entire lane marked as shoulder (I guess, or parking, but there's never anyone parked there) so I am many feet from the lane after turning, so nobody has any complaint about me doing it.

This reduces my wait from 10 minutes to less than a minute around the corner.
Completely different situation than the OP. In that situation I'd probably be doing the same as you. The OP's post sounded like he was undertaking a few cars that had just passed him and are also going straight, and then they have to pass him again after the light.
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It would seem to make sense to pick up and drop off kids as close to the door as possible, but it's actually a terrible idea because of the congestion and insane behavior that results. I would like to see day cares and schools have a no loading/unloading zone right near the door. Some places should have very big zones like this, depending on how busy the loading and unloading is. I know walking is inconvenient, but that doesn't give thought to how inconvenient and unsafe it is to have thoughtless parents blocking traffic, zooming dangerously close to children, and opening doors dangerously.

Well, I can dream, can't I?
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The new, wider bike lanes along the 4-lane divided boulevard I live off of are only a year or two old now. Their proper use is apparently a mystery, though, as cars regularly treat them as right-turn lanes, and many adult cyclists seem to prefer the sidewalk. Both practices irritate me. I recently had an extremely minor encounter with a driver who, thinking he'd found a super-secret cheat code to win at commuting that afternoon, pulled up behind me in the bike lane at a light, expecting to turn right, then honked at me. I turned in my saddle, pointed at him, then at the lane he should have been in, and took my sweet time off the line when the green came.
The street I live on has dedicated bike lanes and I'm always amazed at how many adults continue to ride on the sidewalk. It's not even a busy street, so it would still be quite safe without the bike lanes.
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call up your local authorities.
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Okay, which bozo thought it would be a good idea to flip the gear shifters so that my right thumb gears down, and my left thumb gears up? I'm constantly getting them mixed up, and it's ANNOYING.

Aaah, I feel better, thanks.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
Don't shoal other traffic and make them pass you again
yeah, I got passed by a cpl cars yesterday before a light. I filtered to the front and put a foot on the curb. we all waited together. when it turned green I waited for everyone to go before launching myself. just seemed easier than making everyone pass me again
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
yeah, I got passed by a cpl cars yesterday before a light. I filtered to the front and put a foot on the curb. we all waited together. when it turned green I waited for everyone to go before launching myself. just seemed easier than making everyone pass me again
Often times just wait at the back of the pack of cars, rather then riding up the shoulder. Just repeats every intersection. I will pass on right if I know the next part of the road has a decent shoulder where I'm not in the lane.

As well if I know the intersection, I might hop the light to get out of the way of anybody behind me. The cop "might" understand !
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
yeah, I got passed by a cpl cars yesterday before a light. I filtered to the front and put a foot on the curb. we all waited together. when it turned green I waited for everyone to go before launching myself. just seemed easier than making everyone pass me again
If you're going to let the cars go anyway, why not just stay behind them in line so that they stay in front of you? That pretty much eliminates any and all risk of turning conflicts.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
If you're going to let the cars go anyway, why not just stay behind them in line so that they stay in front of you? That pretty much eliminates any and all risk of turning conflicts.
I do that sometimes, but it's more rare. every situation is different
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Originally Posted by Steve B.
Often times just wait at the back of the pack of cars, rather then riding up the shoulder. Just repeats every intersection. I will pass on right if I know the next part of the road has a decent shoulder where I'm not in the lane.

As well if I know the intersection, I might hop the light to get out of the way of anybody behind me. The cop "might" understand !
there's a light I know, (two lanes of traffic) where the green light lasts 2 seconds longer than the opposing traffic. and if you're making a left, it's just enough time for 2 cars to go, then everybody waits for the opposing traffic to clear before any more can take a left. sometimes only two cars squeak out. I always filter to the front and go on the tail of the first car, or if I get there first they are waiting for me. as soon as I clear the intersection I expect them to pass me. seems to work out fine and no one gets mad. if I wait back in line it's dangerous cuz the right lane is going straight and moving right away so I'm wedged between the two lanes, kinda sorta. I don't take the lane while stopped.

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Why are motorist passing a cyclist to race up to the red light when they all end up waiting at the same red lights over and over again. It means that the motorist and cyclist are all traveling at the same average speed.

If the motorist would just relax a little and travel at the cyclist speed, they would not have to wait at the red lights as long (if at all) and they would save a fair amount of gas. Although the draw back is the motorist do not have as much free time to spend on their phonetoys at the red lights.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
If you're going to let the cars go anyway, why not just stay behind them in line so that they stay in front of you? That pretty much eliminates any and all risk of turning conflicts.
that particular stop light was right before a highway overpass with speedy traffic. right before the light it is 5 lanes wide, 3 on my side 2 on the opposing side. the little island at the light is a kind of sanctuary I felt safe at
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Why are motorist passing a cyclist to race up to the red light when they all end up waiting at the same red lights over and over again.
Because drivers are inherently selfish. Protected in their box, they don't have to have social interaction with other drivers and so it's all me, me, me. *I* have to be in front, *I* have to be first. Who cares, I'll never see them again!

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OP: Sorry for your bad interaction, however I think you were partially at fault. As other's have said, I would have have passed a car that just passed me. In that situation I'd stop next to the most recent car that passed me if I hadn't taken the lane.

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Okay, which bozo thought it would be a good idea to flip the gear shifters so that my right thumb gears down, and my left thumb gears up? I'm constantly getting them mixed up, and it's ANNOYING.

Aaah, I feel better, thanks.
It's how the derailleurs work (now-a-day.) Tightening the cable makes the rear shift to lower gears and the front shift to higher gears. Things like rapid rise derailleurs do exist which reverse this for the back, but they're more of a pain than you think. Some old front derailleurs also shift backwards (cable tightening shifts to lower gears.)
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Originally Posted by silent_chief
Society is going to hell.

People have been saying that for thousands of years...
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Just a short whine. I have a bike that I love, a 45 min. lunch break, gorgeous weather, and heavy traffic in all directions. *sob*
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Originally Posted by rmfnla
People have been saying that for thousands of years...
guess that's what "to hell and back" means
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Tourists, bless their hearts, I know they are important to the economy, I know we don't make it easy to navigate in Boston, but seriously please take the T (or rent a Hubway!). Guy ahead of me on the way home chose the wrong lane for two intersections in a row, made a last minute merge in front of me at the second light, and then complained that I was in the left lane. I know I am in the left lane. I am turning left! The difference is that I figured it out half a block ago.
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Pretty impressed that the thread has lasted this long. Regarding the original OP's post: In DC (and probably other places) I find that it's good to constantly switch between aggressive and defensive riding and be able to completely switch each type of riding on and off quickly, however this was difficult at first. Another thing that the line you ride shouldn't change quickly or dramatically, you should try to be predictable so that cars aren't surprised by a sudden change. For instance when you are on a one lane road due to parked cars and that lane turns into two due to no parking up ahead and you go into the right lane don't shift over super quickly and vice-versa going right to left. The difference between a quick and a gradual line change is a couple seconds, the difference in your predictability to a driver is enormous. There are times when you have to take a lane and can't worry about what the driver thinks. Going under a bridge is a great example since you can't risk clipping a curb and the space is too snug to risk having a car push your line to far to one side. On the other hand if you have a decent straight away with minimal cars parked on the street to the right of you then you should get the hell out of the way.

It's good to get defensive and cool it in DC when you see either MD plates or plates from other states because (a) MD drivers take their driving test in a parking lot without traffic which shows when they get into actual traffic and subsequently, honest to goodness, suck at driving, and (b) a lot of other drivers from other states are decent at driving but probably don't deal with bikes like drivers that live in DC do on a day to day basis [gross generalization] so they just don't have the awareness or aren't thinking about dealing with bikes at the same time that they are trying to figure out where they are trying to go or how to actually get there. I find that local DC drivers are actually pretty friggin good at sharing the road (assuming they aren't driving a cab, bus or Uber car).

The other thing to do is to always keep an eye way out in front on the right where cars are parking or parked on the side of the road. If you see a brake light up ahead it might mean that the person just parked their car and is about to open their door. I almost got doored last week by a dump truck! I barely anticipated it by checking to my left before avoiding the door. The driver was quite apologetic and I'm guessing it would have hurt to run into his door.

The biggest thing is to ride with a lot of finesse. One of the coolest things to see when you start riding in DC (and probably a lot of other places) is seeing a rider with a lot of finesse that isn't working nearly as hard at riding as you are yet they end up way ahead of you in traffic because they knew when to take the lane, ride between lanes, get an edge right before the light turned green or right before the light turned red, or anticipated some stupid thing that a bus was about to do and got out of the way (I swear to God a lot of these riders are women on sub average bikes - maybe I should have not written any of this and just said that you should learn to ride like a woman).

Lastly, if your light is about to turn green and perpendicular traffic's light is already red and you are thinking about getting a head start on your light (which I'm sure none of us ever contemplates ) and there's a cab in perpendicular traffic about to reach their red light then don't jump your light because the cab is going to run his!

Regarding the woman that yelled at you - don't worry about it, she probably had a MD plate.

EDIT: After re-reading the original post after I posted this it appears that (a) OP was correct in taking the lane, (b) lady had it coming to her, (c) hopefully the child didn't hear any curse words, (d) OP seems to already be pretty proficient (not being sarcastic btw) and doesn't need to read anything above.

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Originally Posted by kobaneul
Tourists, bless their hearts, I know they are important to the economy, I know we don't make it easy to navigate in Boston, but seriously please take the T (or rent a Hubway!). Guy ahead of me on the way home chose the wrong lane for two intersections in a row, made a last minute merge in front of me at the second light, and then complained that I was in the left lane. I know I am in the left lane. I am turning left! The difference is that I figured it out half a block ago.
Maybe suggest better signage to help out the tourist.
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Originally Posted by CB HI
Maybe suggest better signage to help out the tourist.
Signs?? This is Boston. That's a whole other "vent."

I would have been a lot more sympathetic if he hadn't felt the need to comment on MY lane choice.
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