Puncture Resistant Tire
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Puncture Resistant Tires
I'm currently riding on a pair of 700x23 Panasonic Panaracer Pasela tires but picked up a tiny thorn the other day that required a inner tube change before I could carry-on my route. I don't want this to happen again so I'm looking to update the tires to something a little more sturdy and puncture resistant. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
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Schwalbe Marathon Pus but they only come in 25c or larger.
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I have been using 700x28 Specialized Armadillo tires for almost 7 years on my commuter. They come in a variety of sizes, including 700x23. I have not tried any other flat resistant tires and thus cannot do any kind of relative comparison.
Fixing a flat on my commute is just about the last thing that I want to do. The Armadillos are not perfect. I still get flats, but the flats are usually slow leaks that I do not notice until the next morning. Although thorns are not a particular problem in my locale, I have had pieces of glass and thin metal wires (probably from damaged steel belted auto tires) that work themselves through the tire into the tube. Doing a better job checking what might be embedded in the outer surface of the tire and removing it promptly would probably help.
I get about an average of about 2500 miles per tire - a little more on the front and a little less on the back. They are not cheap and can only be bought at Specialized dealers, so I keep an eye on prices and buy a couple when I see them on sale.
Fixing a flat on my commute is just about the last thing that I want to do. The Armadillos are not perfect. I still get flats, but the flats are usually slow leaks that I do not notice until the next morning. Although thorns are not a particular problem in my locale, I have had pieces of glass and thin metal wires (probably from damaged steel belted auto tires) that work themselves through the tire into the tube. Doing a better job checking what might be embedded in the outer surface of the tire and removing it promptly would probably help.
I get about an average of about 2500 miles per tire - a little more on the front and a little less on the back. They are not cheap and can only be bought at Specialized dealers, so I keep an eye on prices and buy a couple when I see them on sale.
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Schwalbe Marathon Pus but they only come in 25c or larger.
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I had 3100 miles on a set of Vittoria Randonneurs with no flats. I just swapped them out because the tread on the rear tire had worn down. That was 3100 miles of mostly very rough city streets with lots of debris on the roadway. My other bike has Schwalbe Marathon Pluses. I've also never had a flat on those.
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drmfunky, you will find a wide range of tires to suit whatever your perceived need. There are premium tires with no, little, some, plenty, or overkill armor, with the tire compound also getting stiffer as the armor goes up. There are also cheap tires in most of the same choices (maybe not the heaviest armor). You will have these choices from every major brand.
For example just from Conti's top roadie line you have
Grand Prix TT with no armor
Grand Prix 4000 SII with a little armor
Grand Prix 4 Season with more armor
Gatorskin with plenty of armor
Gator Hardshell with overkill armor
And this is just standard roadie tires not counting niches like tubeless or touring or gravel
Rolling resistance and armor go up at the same time, it makes the tire slower. Cheaper tires are also slower because they have fewer but bigger cords in the carcass and cheaper/less fancy rubber compounds, making them stiffer; and may have wire beads that make them heavier.
For example just from Conti's top roadie line you have
Grand Prix TT with no armor
Grand Prix 4000 SII with a little armor
Grand Prix 4 Season with more armor
Gatorskin with plenty of armor
Gator Hardshell with overkill armor
And this is just standard roadie tires not counting niches like tubeless or touring or gravel
Rolling resistance and armor go up at the same time, it makes the tire slower. Cheaper tires are also slower because they have fewer but bigger cords in the carcass and cheaper/less fancy rubber compounds, making them stiffer; and may have wire beads that make them heavier.
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OP, I would suggest you also consider a pair of liners. I have had very good success with Mr Tuffy's, there are other brands as well. For less than the cost of a pair of tires, you get liners that can be reused in unlimited sets of tires. Many people have reported problems with the liners causing flats by the squared-off ends rubbing, but it has never been a problem for me.
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I'm currently riding on a pair of 700x23 Panasonic Panaracer Pasela tires but picked up a tiny thorn the other day that required a inner tube change before I could carry-on my route. I don't want this to happen again so I'm looking to update the tires to something a little more sturdy and puncture resistant. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
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OP, I would suggest you also consider a pair of liners. I have had very good success with Mr Tuffy's, there are other brands as well. For less than the cost of a pair of tires, you get liners that can be reused in unlimited sets of tires. Many people have reported problems with the liners causing flats by the squared-off ends rubbing, but it has never been a problem for me.
OP, I would suggest you also consider a pair of liners. I have had very good success with Mr Tuffy's, there are other brands as well. For less than the cost of a pair of tires, you get liners that can be reused in unlimited sets of tires. Many people have reported problems with the liners causing flats by the squared-off ends rubbing, but it has never been a problem for me.
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Continental Gator Skin, Schwalbe Marathon are good puncture resistant tyres.
Punctures are a normal thing. They will happen with puncture resistant tyres as well. When it's dark, raining and you're away from home.
Always carry a spare tube and a patch kit.
The wider the tyre, the lower the pressure, the less chance of sharp objects puncturing it. Best way to avoid punctures is watching where you're riding as much as possible and having lower pressure, wider tyres. Anything below 6 bars is pretty much resistant to sharp rocks and even glass (in most cases). Anything below 4 bars (that would call for 37 mm tyres, so not possible for road bikes) is pretty much bomb proof, even when using regular, not puncture resistant tyres.
Puncture resistant tyres ride more harshly. I'd use them if I rode regularly through roads full of thorns or glass, so it's not possible to avoid them. Otherwise, not worth the comfort penalty, IMO.
Punctures are a normal thing. They will happen with puncture resistant tyres as well. When it's dark, raining and you're away from home.
Always carry a spare tube and a patch kit.The wider the tyre, the lower the pressure, the less chance of sharp objects puncturing it. Best way to avoid punctures is watching where you're riding as much as possible and having lower pressure, wider tyres. Anything below 6 bars is pretty much resistant to sharp rocks and even glass (in most cases). Anything below 4 bars (that would call for 37 mm tyres, so not possible for road bikes) is pretty much bomb proof, even when using regular, not puncture resistant tyres.
Puncture resistant tyres ride more harshly. I'd use them if I rode regularly through roads full of thorns or glass, so it's not possible to avoid them. Otherwise, not worth the comfort penalty, IMO.
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If I have one complaint about Panaracer Paselas, it's those stupid sipes in the tread. They're not arranged in a way that would make the tread rubber significantly more flexible, but they do make it easy for thorns and small rocks to get lodged in and puncture the tire. Once my current ones wear out, I'm going to Fairweather Travelers or Grand Bois Cerf Greens. Those have a tread pattern as well, but it's not nearly as deep.
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I like how the Pasela rides quite a lot, but if you need a tough tire, it doesn't seem like the best choice. The sidewall is pretty delicate.
Generally I don't care about puncture resistance, but I understand those who do. I've been riding Vittoria Voyager Hyper which is a puncture resistant tire, and I'm pretty impressed. For all the weight and bulk, they ride really nicely. I don't feel a penalty from the puncture resistant layer. The only caveat is that they run much wider than rated. Buy the size lower than you think you need. Plus they have reflective sidewalls, and that can't hurt at all.
Generally I don't care about puncture resistance, but I understand those who do. I've been riding Vittoria Voyager Hyper which is a puncture resistant tire, and I'm pretty impressed. For all the weight and bulk, they ride really nicely. I don't feel a penalty from the puncture resistant layer. The only caveat is that they run much wider than rated. Buy the size lower than you think you need. Plus they have reflective sidewalls, and that can't hurt at all.
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If I have one complaint about Panaracer Paselas, it's those stupid sipes in the tread. They're not arranged in a way that would make the tread rubber significantly more flexible, but they do make it easy for thorns and small rocks to get lodged in and puncture the tire. Once my current ones wear out, I'm going to Fairweather Travelers or Grand Bois Cerf Greens. Those have a tread pattern as well, but it's not nearly as deep.
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Gatorskins 700x 25mm all the way. They're bulletproof, smooth, and affordable. My last set of 700x23 gatorskins lasted through years of NYC commuting with barely one flat. I just bought 700x25s for my new vintage bike and they're smooth as butter. I rode through a pile of broken glass today with no problem.
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Or their next tire model up is the Panaracer TServ, which I always liked and used before my current tires.
Nowadays I ride Continental gp4000's on all my road bikes. If you order them from Amazon they're $45-$55 / tire. They're not cheap, but they have both faster and grippier tires which is pretty cool. They have good flat protection to. I don't know how to rate them since I haven't really gotten any flats on the outside of my tires with either the tservs or the gp4000's.
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I'm running Tannus Flatfree tires on my winter commuter. Some notes are in this thread.
https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cy...olid-tire.html
They're a major pain to install, at least the first couple one mounts. I think they are a little slippery when wet. Also slightly higher rolling resistance (not the biggest issue for a commuter). I've now got a couple thousand trouble-free miles, and am looking forward to many more flat-free miles.
However, summer riding is much less stressful on the tires, so I have pneumatic tires on all the other bikes I tend to ride in the sunshine.
I did pretty well with my Origin8 Elimin8er tires. A couple of incidents, but nothing major. I ground them down way past what should have been the wear mark, and they kept going.
I now have a Gator Harshell on the rear of my road bike and a GP 4 Seasons on the front. I did rip a hole in the sidewall of the hardshell which is now booted and patched. That is one of the potential weaknesses of the tire. But the road crack I did it in was pretty bad.
https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cy...olid-tire.html
They're a major pain to install, at least the first couple one mounts. I think they are a little slippery when wet. Also slightly higher rolling resistance (not the biggest issue for a commuter). I've now got a couple thousand trouble-free miles, and am looking forward to many more flat-free miles.
However, summer riding is much less stressful on the tires, so I have pneumatic tires on all the other bikes I tend to ride in the sunshine.
I did pretty well with my Origin8 Elimin8er tires. A couple of incidents, but nothing major. I ground them down way past what should have been the wear mark, and they kept going.
I now have a Gator Harshell on the rear of my road bike and a GP 4 Seasons on the front. I did rip a hole in the sidewall of the hardshell which is now booted and patched. That is one of the potential weaknesses of the tire. But the road crack I did it in was pretty bad.
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Schwalbe Durano Plus .... has Schwalbe's puncture rating of 6 (the same as Schwalbe Marathon Plus)
there is no better road tyre than this as far as puncture resistance is concerned.... they are bombproof
They last long, roll well and most importantly, they grip very well in wet aswell as dry (unlike Gator's)
Durano Plus - Schwalbe Professional Bike Tires
there is no better road tyre than this as far as puncture resistance is concerned.... they are bombproof
They last long, roll well and most importantly, they grip very well in wet aswell as dry (unlike Gator's)
Durano Plus - Schwalbe Professional Bike Tires
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Gatorskins 700x 25mm all the way. They're bulletproof, smooth, and affordable. My last set of 700x23 gatorskins lasted through years of NYC commuting with barely one flat. I just bought 700x25s for my new vintage bike and they're smooth as butter. I rode through a pile of broken glass today with no problem.
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Yeah, I was going to say - you can go for the Tourguard (or TG) version and get flat protection.
Or their next tire model up is the Panaracer TServ, which I always liked and used before my current tires.
Nowadays I ride Continental gp4000's on all my road bikes. If you order them from Amazon they're $45-$55 / tire. They're not cheap, but they have both faster and grippier tires which is pretty cool. They have good flat protection to. I don't know how to rate them since I haven't really gotten any flats on the outside of my tires with either the tservs or the gp4000's.
Or their next tire model up is the Panaracer TServ, which I always liked and used before my current tires.
Nowadays I ride Continental gp4000's on all my road bikes. If you order them from Amazon they're $45-$55 / tire. They're not cheap, but they have both faster and grippier tires which is pretty cool. They have good flat protection to. I don't know how to rate them since I haven't really gotten any flats on the outside of my tires with either the tservs or the gp4000's.
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Both of these are nice tires. Had a string of the Urban Max tires when Performance Bike carried them for $25. Great deal. One set of Ribmo's in 28's too. Very nice tires for steel road bike.
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