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noglider 12-07-16 10:56 PM

Sure, I think I get you and agree. I used a word that doesn't apply. I'm not a bad cyclist. Maybe I'm just a bad writer.

Bike Gremlin 12-07-16 11:55 PM


Originally Posted by HTupolev (Post 19238002)
Interesting. AFAIK, here, the lines cutting through the "intersection" explicitly denote a dominant arterial which doesn't need to yield.

If your laws differ, I have no argument there.

For Europe - if there is a road, you needn't look where it leads to (a parking lot, or a motorway), you needn't look if it's wider than the road you're on, you just need to look whether it has a yield/stop sign, or not. If it doesn't, the law requires you to give right of way to the vehicle on your right.

Parking lots, roundabouts etc. have yield signs, if not - it's the right hand rule.

chephy 12-08-16 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Slaninar (Post 19238598)
For Europe - if there is a road, you needn't look where it leads to (a parking lot, or a motorway), you needn't look if it's wider than the road you're on, you just need to look whether it has a yield/stop sign, or not. If it doesn't, the law requires you to give right of way to the vehicle on your right.

How can you tell? Signs tend to be positioned so they're visible to the driver on the road to which they apply, not to drivers on crossing roads. Their placement, at least in North America, is not standardized.

In North America, in my experience, most roads have some sort of signage. So if the street I am on has no stop sign, I assume the crossing street does. I don't go out of my way looking for it.

Bike Gremlin 12-08-16 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by chephy (Post 19239883)
How can you tell? Signs tend to be positioned so they're visible to the driver on the road to which they apply, not to drivers on crossing roads.

That is exactly why stop and give-way signs have unique shape - so they can be identified even by the driver on the main road. Stop sign has hexagonal shape, while yield sign has a reversed triangle shape. No other traffic signs are shaped that way.

In practice, sometimes, drivers on the main road have also a sign giving them right of way, but not always. Our law states that in situations where (this is a bit tongue in cheek) lower speed and caution from drivers on the main road is required, a sign giving them right of way is deliberately omitted, forcing them to slow down and check the signs on the road they are crossing.


Originally Posted by chephy (Post 19239883)
Their placement, at least in North America, is not standardized.

In North America, in my experience, most roads have some sort of signage. So if the street I am on has no stop sign, I assume the crossing street does. I don't go out of my way looking for it.

I don't know about laws in the USA, but in Europe, if you don't have a right of way sign, you need to check the street you are crossing. If it doesn't have a stop/yield sign, you need to give the vehicles on your right the right of way.

fietsbob 12-08-16 03:42 PM

Hope it was Not the Dead guy who thought they had the right of way right to the end..

Sullalto 12-09-16 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg (Post 19235135)
In WA this is correct UNLESS one of the roads is classified as an arterial. (which is something you just have to know, there are no signs for that). Arterials have the right of way.

It's not clear to me if both the roads in this T are even roads at all (vs lanes in a parking lot).

A Clallam County Sheriff says A gets right of way.

edit: But I despise how virtually no neighborhood intersections have a stop or yield sign out here.


Originally Posted by Slaninar (Post 19238598)
If your laws differ, I have no argument there.

For Europe - if there is a road, you needn't look where it leads to (a parking lot, or a motorway), you needn't look if it's wider than the road you're on, you just need to look whether it has a yield/stop sign, or not. If it doesn't, the law requires you to give right of way to the vehicle on your right.

Parking lots, roundabouts etc. have yield signs, if not - it's the right hand rule.

Not in any of the nordic countries. A has right of way.

Bike Gremlin 12-09-16 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by Sullalto (Post 19241061)
A Clallam County Sheriff says A gets right of way.

edit: But I despise how virtually no neighborhood intersections have a stop or yield sign out here.



Not in any of the nordic countries. A has right of way.

Not convinced about the nordic countries, but won't bother looking up their laws and reading them. As for Hungary, Germany, Italy, Croatia - all (have to) bother with signs. Being on a bigger road doesn't give one right of way there without a sign.

prathmann 12-10-16 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by Sullalto (Post 19241061)
A Clallam County Sheriff says A gets right of way.

edit: But I despise how virtually no neighborhood intersections have a stop or yield sign out here.



Not in any of the nordic countries. A has right of way.

Not according to the Wiki page on 'Driving in Norway' (if you think other countries differ please provide docs.):
  • Traffic from right hand has right of way (unless signs or lights). You must yield to traffic from any road to your right, except from separate areas such as parking lots, market square, pedestrian zone, and petrol stations.
  • https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-206.0.svg.png Traffic on roads with the standard "Yellow Diamond" sign has the right of way. This is widely used for main roads. Traffic from connecting roads will then see the give-way (yield) or stop sign.
These are the same rules as I remember from Germany, i.e. car 'B' would have the right-of-way in the absence of any signs.
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Driving_in_Norway

But California vehicle codes agree with the Clallam sheriff.


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