unexpected benefit of commuting by e-bike
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LOTS of local and state rules define bikes in broad range. Many also define a bike and a motorized bike the same( 20 mph max ) PAS, no throttle different classes yada, yada. One less car is great thing.
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Had a young couple blow past me on motorized bikes the other day. There were easily capable of riding at a normal pace on a bicycle. The guy informed me my taillight was out. Thanks guy, but it wasn't turned on because anyone catching up to me at a normal pace would approach much more slowly, and I don't like blinding others unnecessarily. I passed them a couple miles later where they had decided to stop, blocking the MUP, while they fiddled with something. Total jerks, in my opinion. This kind of nonsense happens more frequently every year. It's a shame these pests are allowed on the MUPs, or maybe that they are just scofflaws. Not sure of the laws around here, but they should be banned if not already.
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And often I see people having difficulty starting their motorbike (or scooter for that matter) in the morning. Seen it so many times...
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I enjoy my ebike - it is the best tool for my commutes. I love my road bike - it's fast, handles well, and extremely efficient in delivering power to the rear wheel. I don't have a mountain bike... yet. I'm sure I'll like riding it as well. I have a 50cc scooter... it's fun, too - but it doesn't go where bicycles can go (MUP's and bike lanes.) I see bikes, ebikes, strollers, skateboards, rollerblades, roller skis, runners, walkers, and dog walkers on the MUP's. I'm glad they all use the community asset. I don't care how you use it as long as it is considerate, safe, and in accordance with the posted rules.
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Legitimate reason? When I bought my ebike the dealer didn't ask me to justify my purchase. I don't think you have to provide justification or documentation if you want to by a $5K carbon road bike either. I happen to ride both and I like to ride both.
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I would certainly make an exception for wheelchairs, but beside that, motorized vehicles should be banned from MUPs. In all the years I've been bike commuting, I've seen zero motorized or non-motorized wheelchairs, two hover boards last year, zero motorized skateboards, zero Segways, and a growing number of motorized bikes. I would support so-called e-bikes being banned from MUPs.
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The question of whether e-bikes catch on the US is apparent in my neighborhood but mostly delivery guys. It's standard in the northern part of Manhattan with so many hills. I see some going all day long for what seems like 7 days a week. I'm sure it makes eking out a living a little easier. Good for them. There's no comparison between riding for leisure and riding for your commute/job.
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All I know is my use is allowed. Whether the law currently supports motorized vehicles on the MUPs is irrelevant to my opinion as to whether they should be allowed. And yes, I can make certain generalizations about people's fitness based on years of observation of other human beings. You probably can, too.
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With the exception of wheelchairs and mobility vehicles, motorized or electric-powered scooters, bikes or other motorized vehicles are prohibited.
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One should learn to not be ruled by their prejudices, insecurities, and overactive imaginations.
The only time I've had an issue with another MUT user while riding an e-bike was long before I actually ever rode one. It was a roadie too ignorant to distinguish the difference between a Dutch bike and a e-bike, who was emotionally incapable of dealing with being passed.
We understand you're a uninformed loud-n-proud Luddite afraid of change and diversity, no need to belabor the point.
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OP, glad your ride works for you. I see e bikes as a great resource for those looking to commute. I logged 2,100 bike commuter miles this year, plus weekend mt biking and such. I do 2-6 trips per week, about 18 miles one way. Often thought about one for my commute, would mean less time on bike and more trips by bike. Less time in the cage( car) Some days steady headwind is a suffer fest. Think about someone with 2 kids or groceries, the cargo bike is good fit. Someone who has hills (like the op) a longer commute or maybe prefers to be less sweaty. Or someone looking to go car light. The roads are not getting less crowded with cars these days. In Boston, the bike share use has just exploded in the past 3 years, as well as across the globe. All good.
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Not sure what facts you are referring to. If they allowed helicopters to use MUPs by calling them bikes, I would be equally opposed. Everything in the public domain belongs to all, but not all get to use it as they please. Rules to limit uses are commonplace. Just look at national parks, if you need an example.
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Those motorized bike should have an auto-shutoff builtin. When the pavement is flat or on descending down, the motor will shut-off. This will force folks to at least pedal....will be good for them.
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[MENTION=365305]kickstart[/MENTION], I'm glad to read your news. One day, I might like an e-bike. I particularly like the long ones, such as the one whose picture you posted. There is a grocery delivery service here that uses Yuba Mundos with e-assist.
I hope to see more e-bikes, especially if it means getting people out of cars. Too many people drive cars around here, and resulting traffic is horrendous.
I hope to see more e-bikes, especially if it means getting people out of cars. Too many people drive cars around here, and resulting traffic is horrendous.
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The motors automatically shut off at 20 mph regardless of terrain, and perhaps you should read the OP again.
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Ebikes and ignorance appear to be inseparable. It is hard to argue against an intelligent person using facts and impossible to argue with "others" who use no facts, just emotions.
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Have you read up on these new e bikes? 3 or 4 classes. Class one is power assisted pedaling. The bike does not go anywhere unless you pedal. No throttle, with various levels of assist. The same assist cuts out once you hit 20 mph. And there you go. Sort of like a built in tail wind. Nice. No car involved. Or old school, "my bike is better than yours attitude" Just another, efficient clean way to get around. Different classes have different regs. Another class cuts out at 28 mph. Just think of all those KOM holders gasping in horror.
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It's almost as if a few cyclists exist in a narcissistic vacuum driven by ego. Every argument they use I've already heard a 1000 times from motorists ranting about cyclists. Par for the course, BF is the only place I've encountered issues, IRL my interactions with others have been entirely positive.
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[MENTION=365305]kickstart[/MENTION], I'm glad to read your news. One day, I might like an e-bike. I particularly like the long ones, such as the one whose picture you posted. There is a grocery delivery service here that uses Yuba Mundos with e-assist.
I hope to see more e-bikes, especially if it means getting people out of cars. Too many people drive cars around here, and resulting traffic is horrendous.
I hope to see more e-bikes, especially if it means getting people out of cars. Too many people drive cars around here, and resulting traffic is horrendous.
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I commute on a Class 2 e-bike, and if it wasn't for that I probably wouldn't be bike commuting. Sure I'd still ride one of my conventional bikes during the weekend, but it's really nice going to and from work every day on a bike and not having to worry much about crazy headwinds and hills. My fitness has actually improved, but that's because I choose to ride using the lowest level assist. So long as folks are getting out of cars and on to bikes then it's a win.
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The ebike wave for commuters is here and growing. Hugely popular in the EU( how much is gas?) and growing by leaps and bounds in the USA. Big push by most of the bike makers ( where are they based?) Trying to tap a new market. Just look in any LBS. Lots of appeal to someone new to bike commuting or not in top shape. Grocery getter, errands, long trips, for sport. Nice. One less car. Class 1 PAS are treated like bikes in most areas, subject to local regulations. Who wants to see one less person sitting in rush hour traffic in a giant SUV alone? Me. Who could be against such smart tech? Seems like a perfect application.
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Even the Dutch are considering regulating and banning e-bikes.
Netherlands: New Rules Pending for E-Bikers | Global Legal Monitor
Netherlands: New Rules Pending for E-Bikers | Global Legal Monitor
In much of Europe e-bikes capable of 28+ mph are now classed as pedelecs, and subject to their own unique regulations separate from standard e-bikes.
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Even the Dutch are considering regulating and banning e-bikes.
Netherlands: New Rules Pending for E-Bikers | Global Legal Monitor
Netherlands: New Rules Pending for E-Bikers | Global Legal Monitor



