Does your LBS carry loose ball bearings?
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If they can bar code diamonds....
I don't see why they can't do it on bearings.
Perhaps the store decided to separate sale items from repair items. It might be a bit of a hassle to count out bearings individually.
But, it also turns away customers. Internet? Elsewhere?
Our local building supply store has loose bearings. Also local bearing supply stores.
I don't see why they can't do it on bearings.
Perhaps the store decided to separate sale items from repair items. It might be a bit of a hassle to count out bearings individually.
But, it also turns away customers. Internet? Elsewhere?
Our local building supply store has loose bearings. Also local bearing supply stores.
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Those little sales add up.
The bigger problem is that the more buyers they turn away, they also lose other sales. Why buy tubes for $8 at the store when one can buy them on the internet for $2? I suppose those $8 tubes aren't worth it to sell either. Oh, and $50 tires that can be bought for $30?
Pretty soon they're just selling coffee.
Ok, so they could consider it as a service business. I hope their service is tip top.
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Depends on the shop. My nearest LBS, only a mile away, is old school with a guy who may be among the savviest mechanics around. They've said I can prowl through their parts bin for bearings and cones when I'm ready to tackle the Shimano hubs on my old Univega. I may take them up on that offer because it's a PITA to identify the specific cones needed for some older Shimano hubs for ordering online.
Most of the other shops in town are newer, big chains with younger mechanics. They know newer bikes but not C&V. Arrogance? Eh, maybe. Usually it's youthful overcompensation for limited knowledge. They'll learn eventually. Even the local Mellow Johnny's has an older and experienced mechanic who enjoys talking shop, which probably helps give the younger folks better perspective even though the shop doesn't carry any used bikes.
Most of the other shops in town are newer, big chains with younger mechanics. They know newer bikes but not C&V. Arrogance? Eh, maybe. Usually it's youthful overcompensation for limited knowledge. They'll learn eventually. Even the local Mellow Johnny's has an older and experienced mechanic who enjoys talking shop, which probably helps give the younger folks better perspective even though the shop doesn't carry any used bikes.
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If they buy them by the thousand, and sell them in bags of 18, they could probably mark them up 200% or 300%. More?
Those little sales add up.
The bigger problem is that the more buyers they turn away, they also lose other sales. Why buy tubes for $8 at the store when one can buy them on the internet for $2? I suppose those $8 tubes aren't worth it to sell either. Oh, and $50 tires that can be bought for $30?
Pretty soon they're just selling coffee.
Ok, so they could consider it as a service business. I hope their service is tip top.
Those little sales add up.
The bigger problem is that the more buyers they turn away, they also lose other sales. Why buy tubes for $8 at the store when one can buy them on the internet for $2? I suppose those $8 tubes aren't worth it to sell either. Oh, and $50 tires that can be bought for $30?
Pretty soon they're just selling coffee.
Ok, so they could consider it as a service business. I hope their service is tip top.
I usually buy tubes locally because I need 'em now, and consider it an exchange for value above and beyond in other ways. For example, the nearest LBS mechanic saved me a lot of money with a clever wheel repair for $10, whereas another shop would probably have told me "We'll order a new wheel for $100."
And I bought a Serfas saddle bag from them because I could try out every bag in the shop on my bike while deciding. And their prices are the same as online -- some brands, like Serfas, don't offer deeper discounts from currently produced items, so buying locally makes sense especially if the online vendors also collect our state sales tax.
Another shop was among the sponsors for a month long series of local group rides and provided free water bottles, gel packets, energy bars, soft drinks, etc., along with ride leaders and safety/traffic monitors. So I buy little things from them often, such as a tube yesterday, and those nifty little Lezyne glueless patch kits that tuck into the smallest place on a bike.
But it's difficult to buy tires locally for $30-$60, when I could buy a set of Conti Speed Rides from Amazon for $20/pair, and Schwalbe Ones for my road bike for $30/pair from Jenson.
Sometimes there isn't a fine line between supporting local business and just throwing money away.
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Yup. You want grade 25 or is 200 ok?
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My guess is that they do have them, but they buy them in bulk and don't sell to the public cause they don't know how to sell something they can't scan. I bet if the right person would have been behind the counter they would have given me a fist full and charged a couple of bucks.
The bottle has a bar code they can scan. My problem is they charge $0.10 ea. I only buy them if I don't have enough left because I forgot to order more when I get close on a particular size like 5/32 or 1/8 for headsets which use a bunch.
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If they buy them by the thousand, and sell them in bags of 18, they could probably mark them up 200% or 300%. More?
Those little sales add up.
The bigger problem is that the more buyers they turn away, they also lose other sales. Why buy tubes for $8 at the store when one can buy them on the internet for $2? I suppose those $8 tubes aren't worth it to sell either. Oh, and $50 tires that can be bought for $30?
Pretty soon they're just selling coffee.
Ok, so they could consider it as a service business. I hope their service is tip top.
Those little sales add up.
The bigger problem is that the more buyers they turn away, they also lose other sales. Why buy tubes for $8 at the store when one can buy them on the internet for $2? I suppose those $8 tubes aren't worth it to sell either. Oh, and $50 tires that can be bought for $30?
Pretty soon they're just selling coffee.
Ok, so they could consider it as a service business. I hope their service is tip top.
A quote from their website:
...we’ve worked hard to curate our collection of bikes in the shop to represent bicycles that we find to be fun, functional, and beautiful all at the same time.
They only sell niche brands and I very seriously doubt that any complete adult bike in that shop costs less than $1,000.
The only reason I go there is because I like to buy local when I can, it's so close, and I'm not so cheap that if I need a tube I'll balk at $8.00 when I could spend half that online. If I were buying a tube every week, then it would be different. And I like to look at the bikes even though I'll never buy one. They do sell pretty bikes. So even though I can't get bearings there I'll still go there to get shifter cables, tubes, and other small stuff I know I can get.
I agree that it would take very little effort on their part to sell loose bearings and there seems to be almost no downside for them to do so. But I think they've made the calculation that you can't get fresh brewed coffee from amazon and that they can markup coffee 200% and have repeat customers showing up regularly to buy it and peruse the bike stuff while they're there.
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I've used loose balls on Ashtabula cranks. It is a pain, you need lots of sticky grease and have to kind of keep the bike sideways and hold stuff together.
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Ball detents on paintball guns use 1/4" steel ball bearings. I've been messing about with that for ages. So I have a box of 250 of them that I use to rebuild my wife's hubs whenever the desire strikes me. They might have been 2¢ each. Better grades from McMaster might be $3-4 for 250.
My bike is blissfully loose-bearing free. It's truly liberating.
My bike is blissfully loose-bearing free. It's truly liberating.
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I know a shop that would and another shop who would believe it better for everyone to sell you a new wheel
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Ball detents on paintball guns use 1/4" steel ball bearings. I've been messing about with that for ages. So I have a box of 250 of them that I use to rebuild my wife's hubs whenever the desire strikes me. They might have been 2¢ each. Better grades from McMaster might be $3-4 for 250.
My bike is blissfully loose-bearing free. It's truly liberating.
My bike is blissfully loose-bearing free. It's truly liberating.
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My Shimano SM-BBR60 bottom bracket was $15, and already has over 10k miles on it. I haven't had to touch it once wince I installed it. If it just randomly seized up tomorrow, I would buy another without a second thought. It comes down in the end to money vs. time. I would much rather spend the little bit of extra money on a whole new unit, rather than rebuild another BB, or hub for that matter.
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What did you order? I want to replace the front wheel bearings but don't know what size I need. The shop says to bring the wheel in so they can take it apart at home and skip the trip to the shop. The wheel in question is a low end Shimano I bought at Performance within the past few years.
Then I use my digital micrometer to measure the old bearings I pull out.
I personally find replacing and greasing ball bearings to be somewhat therapeutic. It's like yeah, I'm doing this easy thing that didn't cost me much, but will make this part feel like brand new again. And for my cheap, DIY self that's music to my ears.
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They're bearing balls, not ball bearings. A ball bearing is a bearing that uses balls. Bottom brackets and headsets are examples of ball bearings.
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As I recall, the ball size for rear bearings and the bottom brackets are typically the same (1/4") and front wheel bearings are 3/16". I usually have an ample supply of both, but what led me to start this thread was that I knew I was running low on one or the other. Since I couldn't remember which I was in short supply of, I decided to get more 1/4" balls while I was at the store to save me from having to make another trip or order some.
Anyway, normally for me bearing work doesn't require me to purchase anything for loose ball bearings. That in itself is a time saver. I don't keep spare cartridges around for my bikes that have them, but I suppose I could.
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Most of the shops around here use these. Wheels Mfg Bottle O' Bearings - Loose Ball Bearings
The bottle has a bar code they can scan. My problem is they charge $0.10 ea. I only buy them if I don't have enough left because I forgot to order more when I get close on a particular size like 5/32 or 1/8 for headsets which use a bunch.
The bottle has a bar code they can scan. My problem is they charge $0.10 ea. I only buy them if I don't have enough left because I forgot to order more when I get close on a particular size like 5/32 or 1/8 for headsets which use a bunch.
Nice - one of my old shops used to have bearing balls in a refillable ketchup squirt bottle - like you see at concession stands - and they cut the squirt nozzle to the proper size so only one ball at a time would come out.
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No, but the bearing just might last longer. Might.
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I have Ultegra hubs on my road bike; they are uncaged balls.
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Last time I did this I was able to fit 11 balls into the space previously occupied by a caged 8-ball bearing. That's about a 40% increase in the number of balls; not to say necessarily a 40% increase in load-bearing capacity but it's hard to see how it wouldn't be an improvement.
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Lots of "high-end" hubs and other parts use uncaged balls. Assembly is harder without the cages, and there are usually more balls per bearing, which decreases the specific loading on each ball which, in turn, increases bearing life.
I have Ultegra hubs on my road bike; they are uncaged balls.
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I have Ultegra hubs on my road bike; they are uncaged balls.
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Well, two pages of bearing ball talk and going strong has made me order 500 of 'em on Amazon. Sorry, LBS, but it just makes good business sense
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Semantics. Say "loose ball bearings" to anyone who has used loose bearings before, or has any knowledge of ball bearings, and they'll know what you're referring to.