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Old 10-25-17, 01:18 PM
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Light of the beholder

Today I saw someone cycling my direction and I: what a bright light, very bright light – good morning! As that lady commuter came next to me, she muttered "bright light" or something. (She being surprised MY light was bright!)

I appreciate people using lights etc. But still I meet ‘Dark Commuters’ seeming to have a deadwish. It’s a jungle out there :-)
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Old 10-25-17, 01:55 PM
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I don't like bright lights in my direction ... they're distracting and annoying.

I like a bright light with a cut-off.

I usually classify people riding in my direction with blinding light people as Arschlöcher (and yes, I usually say that to their face as they ride by in English/German/Swedish/Danish/etc...)
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I don't care how bright your light is, so long as it's not aimed at my eyes.

Point your lights down and outside please - not horizontal and straight ahead.
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good point Diablo.

If I'm riding in an area with traffic, I'll usually set the lights at 100lumens. If I'm going solo and I need it, I'll go up as high as I need.

But, I ended up with two lights, so I can point one down, and have one pointed level - just like high and low beams in a car.
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Cycling with a bright light in traffic is usually not an issue. Everyone is going the same direction, and those going the opposite are too far away to take notice.

Cycling with a bright light on a MUP at night you have to be careful where the light is aimed. You could temporarily blind someone coming your way.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006
Cycling with a bright light in traffic is usually not an issue. Everyone is going the same direction, and those going the opposite are too far away to take notice.

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Not in Europe, the spaces are much smaller. People will get VERY irritated.
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I prefer to point mine down as well but a few years ago our city changed the traffic light sensors. They moved from induction sensors to camera sensors. And they don't recognize bicycles unless you point your light upwards right at the camera. Probably blinding people on the other side.
Meaning at intersections I have to move it up and then back down. A bit annoying....
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Originally Posted by Harhir
I prefer to point mine down as well but a few years ago our city changed the traffic light sensors. They moved from induction sensors to camera sensors. And they don't recognize bicycles unless you point your light upwards right at the camera. Probably blinding people on the other side.
Meaning at intersections I have to move it up and then back down. A bit annoying....
You need proper bike lanes
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Originally Posted by acidfast7
You need proper bike lanes
I wish. But this is Texas. Aka truck country. Hardly anyone commutes by bike. Only an exile German like me.
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Originally Posted by Harhir
I wish. But this is Texas. Aka truck country. Hardly anyone commutes by bike. Only an exile German like me.
I lived in Texas for 7.5 years and then moved to Sweden (2.5y) and Germany (3y).

I used to build and race cars for money at university airports in Texas and rode bicycles in SE and D.

I also owned a few pick-em-up trucks and an old Queen Anne victorian house.

Go Aggies!
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Pointing your lights down only works up to a certain speed.
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Originally Posted by billyymc
Pointing your lights down only works up to a certain speed.
That's kinda funny. Over here, beam cut-offs work well at speeds, even on e-bikes.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7
That's kinda funny. Over here, beam cut-offs work well at speeds, even on e-bikes.
Ride the rural roads that I commute on and we'll see how funny it is when you go down because you hit a tree branch or a patch of fallen black walnuts or hickory nuts, or a pothole, or someone's black garbage cans left on the shoulder for pickup, or roadkill. There are no other bike commuters out there while I'm riding to work in the dark, so why would I point my lights down where I can out ride them at 18 or so mph?
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Originally Posted by billyymc
Ride the rural roads that I commute on and we'll see how funny it is when you go down because you hit a tree branch or a patch of fallen black walnuts or hickory nuts, or a pothole, or someone's black garbage cans left on the shoulder for pickup, or roadkill. There are no other bike commuters out there while I'm riding to work in the dark, so why would I point my lights down where I can out ride them at 18 or so mph?
Kinda funny story but that has nothing to do with the OP where another cyclist was around.
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Are there any USB lights that have the top of the beam cut off like my B&M dyno light?
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Originally Posted by acidfast7
Kinda funny story but that has nothing to do with the OP where another cyclist was around.
Are YOU serious when you chide someone else for posting info that digresses from the OP?
see: Light of the beholder
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Originally Posted by Classtime
Are there any USB lights that have the top of the beam cut off like my B&M dyno light?
I would guess the B&M USB lights since they have to comply to the German StVZO.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7
Not in Europe, the spaces are much smaller. People will get VERY irritated.
What? Does Europe only have single lane roads? Funny, with only a few exceptions, most places I've been to in Europe have lanes that are about as wide as American roads, i.e. about a 3.5m lane (11 feet for the metrically challenged). Bicyclists tend to ride on the outside of the lane as well. That puts on oncoming cyclist about 7m (22+ feet) away from you. You'd kind of have to shout obscenities (yes, your word is an obscenity that violates Forum rules) at other cyclists.

It's okay because the locals probably just consider you to be an inconsiderate...and possibly crazy...Yank.
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Originally Posted by billyymc
Pointing your lights down only works up to a certain speed.
Depends on the speed. I aim my lights about 2 car lengths out (30 feet) and haven't had a problem at up to 45mph.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
What? Does Europe only have single lane roads? Funny, with only a few exceptions, most places I've been to in Europe have lanes that are about as wide as American roads, i.e. about a 3.5m lane (11 feet for the metrically challenged). Bicyclists tend to ride on the outside of the lane as well. That puts on oncoming cyclist about 7m (22+ feet) away from you. You'd kind of have to shout obscenities (yes, your word is an obscenity that violates Forum rules) at other cyclists.

It's okay because the locals probably just consider you to be an inconsiderate...and possibly crazy...Yank.
Actually, I was thinking more of the cyclepaths (without roads) common the continent (where I almost never rode on a road) and one-way streets, which are very common in the UK. This thread really isn't about me, so why bring it up, only to insult me?

Also, just because something translates as an obscenity in a different language/culture doesn't mean that it is. The most obvious example is the c-word (cXXX) in British / Australian English is somewhat endearing compared to the same word in US English. I'd put Arschloch (German) on a similar level to Pain in the ass (US English) even though that's not it's direct translation.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Are YOU serious when you chide someone else for posting info that digresses from the OP?
see: Light of the beholder
Relax. Why get so worked up over something minor?
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Originally Posted by Harhir
I would guess the B&M USB lights since they have to comply to the German StVZO.
I didn't know they existed. Now I see Peter White carries them. Nice.
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Originally Posted by Classtime
I didn't know they existed. Now I see Peter White carries them. Nice.
They've been available from Germany by mail for years at a significant discount over Peter White last time I checked.
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Question to those who also drive: how visible is the light projected on the ground, e.g. the big lighted circle on the ground by bike front/rear light (or flashlight) aimed downward?
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