Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Commuting
Reload this Page >

Where to Find the Elusive 1 x 9 Commuter Crankset?

Search
Notices
Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

Where to Find the Elusive 1 x 9 Commuter Crankset?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-24-18, 12:23 PM
  #1  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: SoCal
Posts: 406

Bikes: Cannondale Carbon Synapse Road, Cannondale T2000 Touring, Vintage Mongoose IBOC Pro MTB, Vintage Peugeot 12spd racer, Old rusty Schwinn Manta Ray I neglected as a child, Diamondback Haanjo EXP Carbon & Metro, Specialized Roubaix Pro, RaleighSC Tandem

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 225 Post(s)
Liked 39 Times in 29 Posts
Where to Find the Elusive 1 x 9 Commuter Crankset?

I just bought another version of a bike I already own due to the frame geometry. This one is set to be my "power shopper" / errand bike as it's simply perfect for riding around locally in the flats. It's got front and rear rack mounts, fender mounts, and a square taper 1 x 9 (38 x 11-34) drivetrain! I did a test ride and the gearing is spot on for the tasks at hand, including some off-road automobile dodging. HOWEVER, the cranks are 172.5mm and I can immediately feel the difference in efficiency as I use 175s on all my bikes.

I have not been able to locate a 175 crankset with similar specs. I feel as if this crankset is a rare configuration without an adequate substitute. BMX is too short, fixie cogs are too big, and the 110BCDs can't accommodate a single 38 without complications or looking odd.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks as always for your informed replies!
michaelm101 is offline  
Old 06-25-18, 09:16 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
chas58's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 4,863

Bikes: too many of all kinds

Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1147 Post(s)
Liked 415 Times in 335 Posts
2.5mm is nothing on a crank. I'm thinking your feeling something else. I use 175 for high torque applications and 165 for high rpm applications, but really, 2.5 mm is nothing I notice. What exactly do you feel the difference is?
chas58 is offline  
Old 06-25-18, 10:26 AM
  #3  
rhm
multimodal commuter
 
rhm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NJ, NYC, LI
Posts: 19,808

Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...

Mentioned: 584 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1908 Post(s)
Liked 574 Times in 339 Posts
You can get a 38t ring for a 130 mm bcd crank. It's not a common item, but they exist; not that I can imagine what's wrong with using a 110 mm bcd spider.

175 mm cranks are unnecessarily long, in my opinion; I know of no benefit to using a crank longer than 165. Using the 172.5 really shouldn't cause you any problems. But whatever; 175 mm cranks are not that hard to find, in either 110 mm bcd or 130 mm bcd.
__________________
www.rhmsaddles.com.
rhm is offline  
Old 06-25-18, 09:22 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Northern VT
Posts: 2,200

Bikes: recumbent & upright

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 73 Post(s)
Liked 40 Times in 31 Posts
I run a 1x9 with 38 t chain ring and 12-36 cassette.
Some suggest a couple mm in crank length does not make a difference,
That is not my experience.
Not sure what the OP is asking.
Chain ring on my 1x9 is from origin 8, for 130 mm bcc crank
martianone is offline  
Old 06-26-18, 09:05 AM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
nayr497's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Nilbog
Posts: 1,705

Bikes: How'd I get this many?

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 88 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Sorry if this is completely useless, but I'll put it out there just in case. I built up my first real commuter (would always go too fast/racey in the end) bike last year. Went with a SRAM Rival 1 GXP 172.5mm 110 42T X-Sync Crankset up front and an 11x36 in the back, it's a 1x10 drivetrain. I live in a pretty flat city, gets me around just fine, though I wouldn't mind a 38 or bigger in the back, but the Shimano XT RD only will accept up to a 36. This is my first 1x setup and I love the simplicity and the single shifter pod.
nayr497 is offline  
Old 06-26-18, 11:08 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 3,691

Bikes: Too many bikes, too little time to ride

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 430 Post(s)
Liked 460 Times in 318 Posts
Shouldn't be that difficult to find a 175mm crank, 110 or 130bcd, and a 38t chainring.
tFUnK is offline  
Old 06-28-18, 12:22 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North of Boston
Posts: 5,721

Bikes: Kona Dawg, Surly 1x1, Karate Monkey, Rockhopper, Crosscheck , Burley Runabout,

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 854 Post(s)
Liked 111 Times in 66 Posts
Originally Posted by rhm
You can get a 38t ring for a 130 mm bcd crank. It's not a common item, but they exist; not that I can imagine what's wrong with using a 110 mm bcd spider.

175 mm cranks are unnecessarily long, in my opinion; I know of no benefit to using a crank longer than 165. Using the 172.5 really shouldn't cause you any problems. But whatever; 175 mm cranks are not that hard to find, in either 110 mm bcd or 130 mm bcd.
175 mm are long? Hmmm, everyone is the same size? Works for me at 6'4"
Leebo is offline  
Old 06-28-18, 12:25 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North of Boston
Posts: 5,721

Bikes: Kona Dawg, Surly 1x1, Karate Monkey, Rockhopper, Crosscheck , Burley Runabout,

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 854 Post(s)
Liked 111 Times in 66 Posts
Lots of options for a single ring. Check out some mt bike ones, like any. White, Surly, Velo orange should be of help. Also Rivendel.
Leebo is offline  
Old 06-29-18, 10:41 PM
  #9  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: SoCal
Posts: 406

Bikes: Cannondale Carbon Synapse Road, Cannondale T2000 Touring, Vintage Mongoose IBOC Pro MTB, Vintage Peugeot 12spd racer, Old rusty Schwinn Manta Ray I neglected as a child, Diamondback Haanjo EXP Carbon & Metro, Specialized Roubaix Pro, RaleighSC Tandem

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 225 Post(s)
Liked 39 Times in 29 Posts
Forgot to mention that I wanted to utilize the existing nifty little "chain guard" that encases the single sprocket. Keeps it from coming off. Yep, it's 104 BCD, but this ones a square taper interface and I don't really see too many of these...

In terms of crank length, I ride much more efficiently and cover more ground with 175s. I'm not a physicist or a physiologist, but IMO, leg (femur/tibia) length and crank length are correlated in terms of power and energy efficiency.
A few mm in crank length multiplied by thousands of revolutions adds up. This reminds me of a type of tennis ball I once used during an arm injury, They were called DUNLOP 'Absorber' balls. The label read, "15% less shock." I thought, "Oh boy, a whopping 15 percent...."
I then multiplied that by the thousands of times I struck a tennis ball every week and realized the extra $$ was well worth it. They have since been discontinued, but I can say that they certainly helped me through a rough period in my life...
michaelm101 is offline  
Old 06-30-18, 01:13 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 3,691

Bikes: Too many bikes, too little time to ride

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 430 Post(s)
Liked 460 Times in 318 Posts
Technically you should get a narrow wide chainring and not need that bash guard. But if you insist on using it, then you'd just need a 104 bcd crank and a 38t ring. Why does it have to be square taper?
tFUnK is offline  
Old 06-30-18, 09:06 AM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
carlos danger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: the danger zone!
Posts: 514

Bikes: steel is real. and so is Ti...

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 216 Post(s)
Liked 24 Times in 19 Posts
Originally Posted by michaelm101
I just bought another version of a bike I already own due to the frame geometry. This one is set to be my "power shopper" / errand bike as it's simply perfect for riding around locally in the flats. It's got front and rear rack mounts, fender mounts, and a square taper 1 x 9 (38 x 11-34) drivetrain! I did a test ride and the gearing is spot on for the tasks at hand, including some off-road automobile dodging. HOWEVER, the cranks are 172.5mm and I can immediately feel the difference in efficiency as I use 175s on all my bikes.

I have not been able to locate a 175 crankset with similar specs. I feel as if this crankset is a rare configuration without an adequate substitute. BMX is too short, fixie cogs are too big, and the 110BCDs can't accommodate a single 38 without complications or looking odd.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks as always for your informed replies!
just get any double or triple. grind the teeth off the big ring. remove the small and get a middle of your choice.
Just look up with bolt pattern would suit you best. 4-104, 5-130 or 5-110 etc. some patterns are easier to find certain tooth rings for. I'd guess a 38 or 39 would be very easy for the 5 bolts since they usually come in 39-52 and similar.
carlos danger is offline  
Old 06-30-18, 09:11 AM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
carlos danger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: the danger zone!
Posts: 514

Bikes: steel is real. and so is Ti...

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 216 Post(s)
Liked 24 Times in 19 Posts
Originally Posted by michaelm101
Forgot to mention that I wanted to utilize the existing nifty little "chain guard" that encases the single sprocket. Keeps it from coming off. Yep, it's 104 BCD, but this ones a square taper interface and I don't really see too many of these...
just use the out ring on a regular as chain guard.
also shimanos hollowtech 2 BBs cost like 10 bucks on chainreactioncycles. I would ditch square taper and get shimano HT2 cranks instead. Cheap and good.
carlos danger is offline  
Old 06-30-18, 12:18 PM
  #13  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: SoCal
Posts: 406

Bikes: Cannondale Carbon Synapse Road, Cannondale T2000 Touring, Vintage Mongoose IBOC Pro MTB, Vintage Peugeot 12spd racer, Old rusty Schwinn Manta Ray I neglected as a child, Diamondback Haanjo EXP Carbon & Metro, Specialized Roubaix Pro, RaleighSC Tandem

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 225 Post(s)
Liked 39 Times in 29 Posts
Originally Posted by carlos danger
just use the out ring on a regular as chain guard.
also shimanos hollowtech 2 BBs cost like 10 bucks on chainreactioncycles. I would ditch square taper and get shimano HT2 cranks instead. Cheap and good.
I think I'll go that route! Thx!
michaelm101 is offline  
Old 06-30-18, 12:19 PM
  #14  
Disco Infiltrator
 
Darth Lefty's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Folsom CA
Posts: 13,446

Bikes: Stormchaser, Paramount, Tilt, Samba tandem

Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3126 Post(s)
Liked 2,105 Times in 1,369 Posts
Your square taper bottom bracket isn’t sacred, bottom brackets of any style cost like $25 unless you get something needlessly fancy
Darth Lefty is offline  
Old 06-30-18, 12:33 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
carlos danger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: the danger zone!
Posts: 514

Bikes: steel is real. and so is Ti...

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 216 Post(s)
Liked 24 Times in 19 Posts
michaelm if you look in my thread in the road forum. you will see 2 cranks (identical) that I just ground the teeth away from the big ring. and put a 42 on the inner pos. 9sp. very easy diy project. I do this on all my bikes since i like 1x systems. here is a DA crank i converted to 1x

carlos danger is offline  
Old 07-01-18, 09:59 AM
  #16  
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 43,598

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 197 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7607 Post(s)
Liked 1,355 Times in 862 Posts
middle ring of a triple crank is in the center, like a single ring chainring should be..

My 9 speed is a Sram i9 IGH..
fietsbob is offline  
Old 07-01-18, 03:04 PM
  #17  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: SoCal
Posts: 406

Bikes: Cannondale Carbon Synapse Road, Cannondale T2000 Touring, Vintage Mongoose IBOC Pro MTB, Vintage Peugeot 12spd racer, Old rusty Schwinn Manta Ray I neglected as a child, Diamondback Haanjo EXP Carbon & Metro, Specialized Roubaix Pro, RaleighSC Tandem

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 225 Post(s)
Liked 39 Times in 29 Posts
Originally Posted by carlos danger
michaelm if you look in my thread in the road forum. you will see 2 cranks (identical) that I just ground the teeth away from the big ring. and put a 42 on the inner pos. 9sp. very easy diy project. I do this on all my bikes since i like 1x systems. here is a DA crank i converted to 1x

Very cool. However, I don't have a grinder, nor do I have the patience to grind all those teeth!
michaelm101 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Olgaimage
General Cycling Discussion
47
09-22-19 01:07 PM
jyl
Bicycle Mechanics
48
09-07-13 11:39 PM
Tandem Richie
Tandem Cycling
5
10-28-12 03:33 PM
KoYak
Road Cycling
10
03-04-11 03:49 PM
nauboone
Road Cycling
11
12-21-10 12:24 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.