'Urban Grinder' build
10-29-18 | 02:14 AM
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Okay acidfast7, we get it, you don't like drop bars for commuting. That doesn't mean that the rest of us who do like them and use them are wrong. Amazingly, you posted that urban bikes don't have drop bars, but then posted a picture of one, maintaining that they have been around for years. The problem is labels vs uses. Urban & commuter bikes don't have drop bars, but bikes that work well for urban and commuting uses may have drop bars. My adventure/gravel bike is exactly that, but 90% of its use is urban & commuting and it works very well.
I am of the opinion that any bike with used for urban / commuting use needs to have the ability to operate the derailleurs and brakes without requiring the rider to change their hand position. Does that mean that you are wrong by suggesting or liking bar end shifters? No, it only means that you have different preferences and priorities than I do. Additionally, I would never ride a fixie by choice, but I realize and accept that many people intentionally make the choice to ride them.
I am of the opinion that any bike with used for urban / commuting use needs to have the ability to operate the derailleurs and brakes without requiring the rider to change their hand position. Does that mean that you are wrong by suggesting or liking bar end shifters? No, it only means that you have different preferences and priorities than I do. Additionally, I would never ride a fixie by choice, but I realize and accept that many people intentionally make the choice to ride them.
2. I posted a Audax/Randonneur bicycle, which is anything but an urban bicycle per se. This comment was in response to the OP doing something new/interesting. My commentary was that the OP's suggestion is neither new nor interesting.
3. Shifting is essentially irrelevant in heavily urbanised areas, which is why most urban bike have been traditionally three-speed at a maximum.
4. I ride a fixie out of novelty and that I don't have enough storage for even a single bike, nevermind more than a single bike, which is the case for most people in heavily urbanised areas. Thus, I will use it until it is stolen/damaged beyond repair.
10-29-18 | 02:47 AM
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I should also quickly point out that my claim above for #2 and the intended use of that particular genre of bicycles (Audax/Randonneur) also supports the claim that the OPs suggestions for an urban bike are slightly misguided. In the end, I'm just psychologically interested in why Americans and Brits (and thus would assume Aussies and Kiwis) are so fascinated with drops when they are quite poor for visibility in heavily urbanised environments compared to every other country on the planet. It's probably the breakdown of the language in the end like most other things (road bike vs. rennrad/sportrad (race/sport bike.) Maybe it's the aggressive nature of English-speakers these days, where everything is a competition?
10-29-18 | 08:25 AM
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Not to encourage hijacking this thread further, 1.5 billion people speak English, making it the most widely spoken language in the world. Now instead of just ranting against Americans, you are up against 20 percent of the world’s population.
10-29-18 | 08:59 AM
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The responses in this thread are why the 'cycling' community has earned its reputation.
I named my bike what i wanted to name it. '650b 47c, dropper post, disc brake, Ti road bike' is too long, so i named it what i believe the stack of components will be best for my style of riding and where im riding it.
I named my bike what i wanted to name it. '650b 47c, dropper post, disc brake, Ti road bike' is too long, so i named it what i believe the stack of components will be best for my style of riding and where im riding it.
as long as you show us the bike that you can clearly see some of us are extremely excited for (myself included) who gives a shizzle what' it's called. if you build it and ride it and called it a bike, someone would invariably say it's gravel bike designed for road use with relaxed geometry or whatever the hell parameters they apply...
screw it. build the bike, ride the bike, get it dirty, then show us pictures. i personally can't wait.
10-29-18 | 09:18 AM
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10-29-18 | 09:58 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...er_of_speakers
English is at the top of the list. #Endhijack.
English is at the top of the list. #Endhijack.
10-29-18 | 10:09 AM
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That chart of languages doesn't depict all the English spoken in India and the Philippines where it is the official language. It's not native to folks there, but many do speak it.
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10-29-18 | 10:24 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...er_of_speakers
English is at the top of the list. #Endhijack.
English is at the top of the list. #Endhijack.
https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%81...B1%DB%8C%D9%86
Do you only provide evidence that supports your hypothesis?
10-29-18 | 10:43 AM
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Figure 1 is mother tongue.
Figure 2 is countries.
Figure 3 is learning.
One can argue about polylingual people.
10-29-18 | 11:55 AM
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Ba-dum-bum.
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10-29-18 | 12:37 PM
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10-29-18 | 01:37 PM
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Hybrid words are common, even in English.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_word
Television is one of the most common, even though I haven't acquired one.
10-29-18 | 03:51 PM
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As always, [MENTION=200073]acidfast7[/MENTION], you are right. You are always right. Always.
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10-30-18 | 12:50 AM
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10-30-18 | 05:40 AM
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They maybe you should have said that. If that would have been your initial post, we could have avoided all of this. Instead, you replied, telling the OP that you didn't agree with the parts he was going to use because they didn't conform to your idea of what can be used as an urban bike.
Oh, and BTW, I like how you ignored my comment about my belief that the rider's hands should have access to the brake levers from any hand position being used and turned it into a shifter only thing in an attempt to delegitimize my statement. I'm guessing you believe that urban bikes use coaster brakes. Finally, back to my original argument, you continue to say that touring, gravel, and adventure bikes are nothing new and ask where the revolution is. You also say that they aren't and never have been urban use bikes. The revolution is that people are now using these bikes for urban and commuting use. Touring bike make great commuters, and for some they are preferred to actual commuter style bikes.
Oh, and BTW, I like how you ignored my comment about my belief that the rider's hands should have access to the brake levers from any hand position being used and turned it into a shifter only thing in an attempt to delegitimize my statement. I'm guessing you believe that urban bikes use coaster brakes. Finally, back to my original argument, you continue to say that touring, gravel, and adventure bikes are nothing new and ask where the revolution is. You also say that they aren't and never have been urban use bikes. The revolution is that people are now using these bikes for urban and commuting use. Touring bike make great commuters, and for some they are preferred to actual commuter style bikes.
10-30-18 | 08:02 AM
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They maybe you should have said that. If that would have been your initial post, we could have avoided all of this. Instead, you replied, telling the OP that you didn't agree with the parts he was going to use because they didn't conform to your idea of what can be used as an urban bike.
Oh, and BTW, I like how you ignored my comment about my belief that the rider's hands should have access to the brake levers from any hand position being used and turned it into a shifter only thing in an attempt to delegitimize my statement. I'm guessing you believe that urban bikes use coaster brakes. Finally, back to my original argument, you continue to say that touring, gravel, and adventure bikes are nothing new and ask where the revolution is. You also say that they aren't and never have been urban use bikes. The revolution is that people are now using these bikes for urban and commuting use. Touring bike make great commuters, and for some they are preferred to actual commuter style bikes.
Oh, and BTW, I like how you ignored my comment about my belief that the rider's hands should have access to the brake levers from any hand position being used and turned it into a shifter only thing in an attempt to delegitimize my statement. I'm guessing you believe that urban bikes use coaster brakes. Finally, back to my original argument, you continue to say that touring, gravel, and adventure bikes are nothing new and ask where the revolution is. You also say that they aren't and never have been urban use bikes. The revolution is that people are now using these bikes for urban and commuting use. Touring bike make great commuters, and for some they are preferred to actual commuter style bikes.
Rider's hands should have access to the brake levers from any hand position being used commentary doesn't make sense.
My current bike and my old MTB commuter in Germany with flat bars could depress the brake from all positions.
Bullhorns are the same with intermediate brakes so I don't see the issue. It's just that the lows on the drops but the rider so low that it gets dangerous especially in roundabouts!
My other argument is the almost no one (planet-wide) is using "touring"/"gravel" bikes for commuting as their not suitable for urban commuting (which is the title of the thread).
10-30-18 | 08:06 AM
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maybe if you hadn't made the OP feel unwelcome, he would have posted more. He said as much up-thread. I'm not sure what your motivations are, but I feel like the response to your posts is entirely predictable. I'm sure you have some interesting things to say, but we only rarely see anything positive from you. In fact, I think it has been years.
10-30-18 | 08:10 AM
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maybe if you hadn't made the OP feel unwelcome, he would have posted more. He said as much up-thread. I'm not sure what your motivations are, but I feel like the response to your posts is entirely predictable. I'm sure you have some interesting things to say, but we only rarely see anything positive from you. In fact, I think it has been years.
Fine, if you want to be positive, then I will be positive.
Starting now.
10-30-18 | 11:12 AM
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Your words affect people, whether you realize it or not, whether you think they should or not.
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10-30-18 | 11:18 AM
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My behaviour on this forum has been unfortunate, to say the least, for the last few years.
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10-30-18 | 11:19 AM
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10-30-18 | 11:33 AM
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10-30-18 | 05:24 PM
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