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I am good down to about minus 25 Celsius below zero, it doesn't get any colder than that around here....Platform pedals + proper winter boots or insulated hiking boots + 1-2 pairs of wool socks + gaiters has never failed to keep my feet warm during longer rides in very cold weather. No need for chemical warmers, no need for shoe covers, no need for wrapping your feet in plastic bags or aluminium foil.
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I just read an article with reviews of many winter-worthy SPD shoes. Maybe I'll stop in at an LBS or two to see if they have any of these.
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Tom can you post the link ? I am interested in winter shoes.I have read they are totally worth it and I have a friend on a cold ride swear by his too. They are expensive but I really like the idea of just putting on a shoe and being dry and warm vs socks, bags or foil, shoes, and shoe covers.
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I am good down to about minus 25 Celsius below zero, it doesn't get any colder than that around here....Platform pedals + proper winter boots or insulated hiking boots + 1-2 pairs of wool socks + gaiters has never failed to keep my feet warm during longer rides in very cold weather. No need for chemical warmers, no need for shoe covers, no need for wrapping your feet in plastic bags or aluminium foil.
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That's a different sort of winter than we have. Nobody here will have winter boots, wool socks or gaiters. While I have an insulated jacket, I haven't even worn it in years. Although I'll grant that I often see people cycling with insulated coats whenever it gets under 50°
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That's a different sort of winter than we have. Nobody here will have winter boots, wool socks or gaiters. While I have an insulated jacket, I haven't even worn it in years. Although I'll grant that I often see people cycling with insulated coats whenever it gets under 50°
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For @RidingMatthew and others:
Nine of the best winter mountain bike shoes
Mind you, this is on a site that sells stuff, but it seems fair enough. It would be nice if they listed prices, even in pounds sterling.
Nine of the best winter mountain bike shoes
Mind you, this is on a site that sells stuff, but it seems fair enough. It would be nice if they listed prices, even in pounds sterling.
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I must be more warm-blooded than some cyclists, although it's more noticeable on weekends. Start a ride of a few hours when it's in the low 60s, and on my way home I'll often pass some folks with leg and arm warmers on (even though by then it's probably middle 70s!). Balaclava at 55F? Man, you need to get outside more often!
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I've been using the Shimano MW7's for three or four years now, they are listed in that review article. Really nice shoes that do a great job of keeping your feet warm and dry in temps down to maybe just below freezing. I have used them on bikepacking trips when temps dipped into the teens and my feet did get uncomfortably cold in those temps, even with heavy wool socks.
I think if you need extreme cold protection for your feet, 45North makes some great stuff.
I think if you need extreme cold protection for your feet, 45North makes some great stuff.
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Yep. The endless permutation of clothing combinations is bewidering. Get it wrong and you'll be sweating or just be miserably cold. And then the effect of the cold on battery life for lights and cameras. Needless to say, it's not my favourite time of the year yo ride. But the least favourite time is yet to come.
The only problem i run in to is trying to keep my feet warm. The rest of me is ok, just my feet start to freeze at mile 8, out of 10.5 mile trip. I wear wool socks and long pants, but can't keep them warm and by the end of my rides ( when it's low 30's) they are painfully cold.
I've seen some people wear shorts and tshirt down to the 40s... Not sure how they manage to do that.
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Artful layering is the thing. The only difference between my winter commuting layers and my back-country skiing layers is hi-vis accents.
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I have very little winter bike-specific clothing so I got a $5 reflective fluoro vest that fits really well on top of whatever I'm wearing. Win, IMO!
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I use an ANSI II mesh construction vest that a contractor friend gave me for precisely the same purpose.
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https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5046-937/LED-Run-Vest
Very good fit to the body, and the LED strips at the back and front work quite well in concert with my bike mounted lights.
I'm in the midst of replacing the commuter duty Norco with a '93 Trek 750, so I'll be installing the studded Schwalbe tires once it starts to get wet and frozen later in November. Today is the first time I've used the balaclava. Not looking forward to the windy winter.
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I wear vbl socks under medium weight wool down to about 20F with my Five Ten Freeriders (platform pedals, of course). It's not till it gets into the teens that I switch to my Salomon Toundra boots. At around 0F I'll break out the VBLs for those.
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Yeah, that's a tough one, though 35/50 is not too bad. 40/80 is worse! I usually dress for the lows and bring shorts/shirt for warmer times. Basically, peel of layers as it gets warmer, same as you would do for hiking. I can do 40s without a hat or gloves, or a wind layer, but not on the bike. Moving at 15+ mph the windchill gets you.
I've seen some people wear shorts and tshirt down to the 40s... Not sure how they manage to do that.
I've seen some people wear shorts and tshirt down to the 40s... Not sure how they manage to do that.
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Twin City riders are a whole 'nother breed.......Respect.
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Shoe covers will still leave the underside of your shoes exposed and cold air will still find its way to your feet eventually. They may delay the onset, but sooner or later.
When it gets down to -3*C or colder I'll use my Specialized Defroster shoes, which are insulated winter road shoes. Combined with a good pair of wool socks they work well. At -7*C I'll have to use the neoprene covers over the Defrosters. And below -10*C, I'll stick a packet of chemical warmers over my toes. Colder than this I'll probably drive.
Yeah, it's a lot of little incremental mods and a PITA!
When it gets down to -3*C or colder I'll use my Specialized Defroster shoes, which are insulated winter road shoes. Combined with a good pair of wool socks they work well. At -7*C I'll have to use the neoprene covers over the Defrosters. And below -10*C, I'll stick a packet of chemical warmers over my toes. Colder than this I'll probably drive.
Yeah, it's a lot of little incremental mods and a PITA!
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I have a thin pair of full finger mechanic gloves that work from 50 down to freezing, and a pair of fleece lined sheepskin gloves that work down to 0f. I have some choppers mitts I haven't been able to use yet, too hot even below zero. Hands are biggest struggle below zero. I wear my sneakers pretty much year-round (flat pedals) and vary socks, thin ones in the 3 fair seasons, thick ones in late fall and layer them up in the winter. I have some snow boots I can wear if it gets below 0f but my feet get too warm even then. Over 50f I wear shorts, 50f down to freezing I use fleece joggers, freezing to 0f thin tights under the joggers and below zero thick fleece lined tights and joggers. Up top over 50f is short sleeves, 50f down to freezing a thin long sleeve base layer and jacket, freezing down to zero add a thin hoodie under the jacket and below zero add my coat. My commute is 25mi/day in northern Indiana. By the time I get to work or get home, I'm usually pretty sweaty regardless of the weather.
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The only problem i run in to is trying to keep my feet warm. The rest of me is ok, just my feet start to freeze at mile 8, out of 10.5 mile trip. I wear wool socks and long pants, but can't keep them warm and by the end of my rides ( when it's low 30's) they are painfully cold.
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And so it begins. I didn't bother to check the weather before leaving this morning and rode the wrong bike My only hope is that it doesn't get bad enough that they begin to put salt on the roads. I don't want to expose this bike to any of that crap. That is why I bought a winter beater.
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It must be winter again
Hi @medic75
Just three days ago, I replied to your thread of 9-18, “Considering winter commuting - need advise”
And so it begins. I didn't bother to check the weather before leaving this morning and rode the wrong bike My only hope is that it doesn't get bad enough that they begin to put salt on the roads.
I don't want to expose this bike to any of that crap. That is why I bought a winter beater.
I don't want to expose this bike to any of that crap. That is why I bought a winter beater.
Just three days ago, I replied to your thread of 9-18, “Considering winter commuting - need advise”
… I think of winter riding as game in which "winning" is figuring out how to ride more days comfortably and safely. In my experience, if you start winter riding in clear/dry conditions, then gradually ratchet up to conditions with more precip, you get accustomed to the seasonal challenge and learn which gear is appropriate.
For some the bike answer is a beater, for others it can be something quite different.
For some the bike answer is a beater, for others it can be something quite different.
Nicely said. My slogan is "Gear and gumption." My take on winning, in any bad weather, is taking the correct bike...my pristine carbon fiber bike on dry (non-salted) roads, and the beater otherwise.
I lose when I take the beater and the roads are dry in both directions, or when I take the carbon fiber on a messy road…
I lose when I take the beater and the roads are dry in both directions, or when I take the carbon fiber on a messy road…
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And so it begins. I didn't bother to check the weather before leaving this morning and rode the wrong bike :My only hope is that it doesn't get bad enough that they begin to put salt on the roads.
I don't want to expose this bike to any of that crap.That is why I bought a winter beater.
I don't want to expose this bike to any of that crap.That is why I bought a winter beater.
OP here. Have spent more time searching for info and come to the following conclusions:
- Lots of references to how CF holds up on aircraft and spacecraft. That pretty clearly tells us what CF can do in a billion dollar application, but it doesn't tell us how my $3500 CF bike will hold up. Saying it's the same thing is like saying that a condom can carry 10 people across the lake just like a Boston Whaler because both are made of polyurethane (don't try that at home).
- What little I did find about CF and temperature focused more on the potential for issues due to overheating, which in theory would affect the resin at some point. Cross riding into a volcano off the bucket list.
- Did not find a single mention of "I rode my CF bike in the Minnesota winter and it cracked in half" or any similar story. So it appears that the CF itself is not really a concern...
- ...but Tim's point on ice and crashing is really applicable here. It's not unusual in the winters around here to be cruising on dry roads and run across a patch of ice. Any crash to a CF bike is not good.
- I didn't mention the additional challenge of salt and chemical mixtures used on roads, but the conclusion is probably the same. CF is probably not the concern but other bike parts might be?
On salt and corrosion: this is a topic commonly discussed here. Some ideas on how to better deal with this:
- Store the bike inside
- Regularly already it down (after each ride). No house for that? Use a $15 hand pump garden sprayer
- Replace steel parts with stainless steel our aluminum parts, as much as feasible.
- Fenders AND mudflaps. Particular long ones on the front to avoid spray against the bottom bracket
- There are chains with a corrosion protective coating. I'm running one of them without issues, but I'm unsure if the chain can be attributed to that.
- Lube... really thick stuff will attract loss of gunk... I personally use very thin stuff and lube often (prolink). But still try wax based lines next when current bottle is empty.
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