What may annoy you when commuting?
03-29-19, 05:45 PM
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Real classy hoping for the violent death of an animal just because the owner annoys you.
If you aren't prepared to stop in time for a threat you see right in front of you, you didn't take precautions. Riding in any kind of shared space requires adjusting for the mistakes and misdeeds of others regardless of whether you're on the road or a path.
If you ride in rural areas, dogs are never on any kind of restraint -- that's why you're encountering them. The dogs are significantly bigger, faster, far meaner, you typically have much less lead time, and you could have them coming from multiple sides at once. And yet those of us who've dealt with them countless times over the years don't crash because we don't pretend nothing is happening. A lot of dog owners are irresponsible idiots, but urban dogs are so much easier to work with it's not even funny.
When people ride as if everyone is doing what they're "supposed" to with regard for whether that is actually happening, the results are predictable. As a MUP user (I walk quite a bit), I've seen plenty of conflicts involving dogs, runners, and cyclists. So far, 100% could have been avoided if *any* of the individuals involved made an obvious adjustment.
If you aren't prepared to stop in time for a threat you see right in front of you, you didn't take precautions. Riding in any kind of shared space requires adjusting for the mistakes and misdeeds of others regardless of whether you're on the road or a path.
If you ride in rural areas, dogs are never on any kind of restraint -- that's why you're encountering them. The dogs are significantly bigger, faster, far meaner, you typically have much less lead time, and you could have them coming from multiple sides at once. And yet those of us who've dealt with them countless times over the years don't crash because we don't pretend nothing is happening. A lot of dog owners are irresponsible idiots, but urban dogs are so much easier to work with it's not even funny.
When people ride as if everyone is doing what they're "supposed" to with regard for whether that is actually happening, the results are predictable. As a MUP user (I walk quite a bit), I've seen plenty of conflicts involving dogs, runners, and cyclists. So far, 100% could have been avoided if *any* of the individuals involved made an obvious adjustment.
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03-29-19, 10:42 PM
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All these new Uber drivers. Stopping with no hazards; middle of lane stopping; etc. Real pain in the ass Uber has turned out to be.
03-30-19, 09:21 AM
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Can't wait for all those "magical" driverless vehicles that we will get to complain about soon...although it might be fun to mess with them...you know taking the lane in front of them forcing them to our speed...passengers yelling at you and gesticulating out the windows...but powerless to speed up and pass you or cut you off. Yeehaw! Can't wait.
03-30-19, 11:39 AM
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Slow inattentive cyclists... I got places to be! 
03-30-19, 12:18 PM
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Can't wait for all those "magical" driverless vehicles that we will get to complain about soon...although it might be fun to mess with them...you know taking the lane in front of them forcing them to our speed...passengers yelling at you and gesticulating out the windows...but powerless to speed up and pass you or cut you off. Yeehaw! Can't wait.
03-30-19, 03:06 PM
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04-01-19, 07:52 AM
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When people ride as if everyone is doing what they're "supposed" to with regard for whether that is actually happening, the results are predictable. As a MUP user (I walk quite a bit), I've seen plenty of conflicts involving dogs, runners, and cyclists. So far, 100% could have been avoided if *any* of the individuals involved made an obvious adjustment.
(a) clotheslined a child, who was outweighed 100% by the dog;
(b) knocked over a toddler;
and (c) used 3:1 leverage and hit an older man, who only stayed up because a couple other people with him held him up.
Why is it their fault they were mowed down by the dog? Why shouldn't the dog's walker be responsible?
None of those three individuals had a bicycle they could have held in front of them for protection. The ONLY way to avoid those incidents would have been for the dog owner to restrain the mutt with the lead, instead of letting them run crazy.
Now since I expect you'll try to defend your "everyone avoid the dog and we'll all get along" position, let me ask a few questions. First, why should the dog walker be held blameless? Responsible parents will (try to) keep their children from running into people on the sidewalk or in a store; why should dog owners be held to lower standards than parents? And are there any other protected types out there the rest of the MUP users should shoulder the burden of avoiding? Is it reasonable to put the onus on other MUP users to avoid an Amway salesman, or a fundamentalist proselytizer, as you say we should avoid the dogs?
04-01-19, 08:22 AM
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Typical commuting forum ****storm in here.
I miss being around here sometimes!
I miss being around here sometimes!
04-01-19, 08:50 AM
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vehicles on the road passing you very close
04-01-19, 09:38 AM
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04-01-19, 10:03 AM
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BTW, how do you determine if cars "think" that anything is "funny"?
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04-01-19, 10:11 AM
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Didn't bother to read all the BS, but leftover sand and rocks from broken pavement are what have been annoying me on my commutes lately. Can't wait until the street sweepers have cleaned up the last of it.
04-01-19, 12:58 PM
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Perhaps, @archwhrides you are familiar with the local Boston talk show host, Howie Carr, and his anti-cycling rants:
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04-01-19, 01:09 PM
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But I've seen 40-100 pound dogs running on a 20-25' leash. Those dogs have:
(a) clotheslined a child, who was outweighed 100% by the dog;
(b) knocked over a toddler;
and (c) used 3:1 leverage and hit an older man, who only stayed up because a couple other people with him held him up.
Why is it their fault they were mowed down by the dog? Why shouldn't the dog's walker be responsible?
None of those three individuals had a bicycle they could have held in front of them for protection. The ONLY way to avoid those incidents would have been for the dog owner to restrain the mutt with the lead, instead of letting them run crazy.
(a) clotheslined a child, who was outweighed 100% by the dog;
(b) knocked over a toddler;
and (c) used 3:1 leverage and hit an older man, who only stayed up because a couple other people with him held him up.
Why is it their fault they were mowed down by the dog? Why shouldn't the dog's walker be responsible?
None of those three individuals had a bicycle they could have held in front of them for protection. The ONLY way to avoid those incidents would have been for the dog owner to restrain the mutt with the lead, instead of letting them run crazy.
When you see a large dog on a retracto, you know the owner doesn't know what he's doing and what can potentially happen. Especially if there are kids around, you cut extra space and if it's not available, adults on hand. Just as you make adjustments when there are things wrong with the path (washout, treefall, ice, etc) you make adjustments because the problem is caused by a person. The old man may not have had an option, but other people should seen what was unfolding and helped out. Fortunately, these are extreme situations.
The high concentrations people in urban areas multiplied by the percentage of criminals, mentally ill, addicts, and garden variety idiots in the general population mathematically guarantee regular encounters with people not doing what they should. As such, navigating such spaces has to include these encounters built into the plan.
At least on our paths, cyclists represent a greater safety threat to others than dog walkers. Dog entitlement is a problem where I live, but the cyclist entitlement is far worse.
You know you're in a good space when a major complaint would be that the road hasn't been swept. Gotta admit I've been getting spoiled by this myself for the past several years. I do not miss the broken glass, steel belt tire wires, and metal construction debris near a dump along a highway I had to ride by every day for many years.
04-02-19, 01:32 PM
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I refer to that style leash as "the extendo-leash-of-death. Often the non-dog end is attached to a human utilizing earbuds, noise deadening earphones or someone on their cellphone.
04-02-19, 08:40 PM
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Whoever invented those should be executed...slowly.
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04-03-19, 09:02 AM
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What instrument of torture should be used to accomplish that execution, I wonder? That execution which happens slowly, and could be called, (lemme check my thesaurus), um, Extended? I wonder what would be an appropriate device to accomplish an extended death, because of the crime against humanity of inventing an extendo-leash-of-death?
Maybe the electric chair?
Maybe the electric chair?
04-03-19, 09:58 AM
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What instrument of torture should be used to accomplish that execution, I wonder? That execution which happens slowly, and could be called, (lemme check my thesaurus), um, Extended? I wonder what would be an appropriate device to accomplish an extended death, because of the crime against humanity of inventing an extendo-leash-of-death?
Maybe the electric chair?
Maybe the electric chair?
04-03-19, 11:01 AM
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What instrument of torture should be used to accomplish that execution, I wonder? That execution which happens slowly, and could be called, (lemme check my thesaurus), um, Extended? I wonder what would be an appropriate device to accomplish an extended death, because of the crime against humanity of inventing an extendo-leash-of-death?
Boneheads who do this will get into constant conflicts with everyone. They'll get tangled with other dogs on extendos and have frequent run ins with cyclists, joggers, and others. Some people that they provoke are going to be nut jobs, and even people they don't get into direct conflict with will tend to reciprocate with the minimum consideration it takes to get through the encounter. So the punishment is there even if you don't see it and it continues until they start doing better.