Thank you, this helps. I can see no setback necessary for me, as I move the saddle on a straight seatpost forward as it is. I envy your sitbones that you can use the Champion Flyer, but at least someone makes a decent saddle wide enough to support my sitbone span, so I guess I shouldn't complain.

Comparing this pic with your previous one, the new stem really did a good job making this upright fit you better. Not that we've seen you on it (get your wife to take a pic?), but the bike looks more balanced somehow. I find that there is a serious lack of both book and LBS expertise in fitting people to upright commuter/utility bikes, so I'm picking it up wherever I can.

I agree that there's very little to go on when it comes to sizing yourself for an upright commuter. I can't decide if my LBS was of much help or not. I'm 6-1, so I thought that I would need the Breezer's bigger frames, but they proved to be gigantic, particularly with the bikes' relatively straight handlebars. If you're reaching too far forward, the whole upright concept is defeated. I've seen it mentioned elsewhere on the Forums that before you leave the shop with a new bike, you should swap out the seat and pedals. When it comes to the Breezers, for me anyway, it was the handlebars.

These aren't road bikes. For the most comfortable commute, your weight really needs to be lined up vertically along your torso. Which tells me that a smaller frame may be better for many people looking for that whole Lowlands commuter experience. Smaller than the "charts" indicate anyway.

I really enjoyed I-Like-to-Bike's pictures of his Vaterland. It sickens me to see how reasonably priced these beautiful bikes are in Europe. It seems like the whole supply-and-demand axiom is turned on its head in North America. There's virtually no demand here, but we're asked to pay three times more.

No sense in getting riled up, I guess. These machines pay for themselves rapidly.