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Who gets to decide who is the poor driver? What if that driver also declares you as the poor cyclist? Folks, just ride and have fun and be careful. Taggin anyone is a crime and childish to boot.
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I disagree with it being vandalism...even if it is, I'll gladly pay a fine because if I get caught, that means there was likely a police officer close enough to see the reason why I'm putting said sticker on Mr./Mrs. Fuc:<head's car. Rock on...send me a roll...I'll buy 'em.
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Another idea?
How about recording the details of the car; license, make, model, etc...if you can get a pic, even better, and then posting them on a website dedicated to Fuc:<head drivers?
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Originally Posted by SpokesInMyPoop
i think it sets up a system where a cyclist will notice a crappy driver due to certain markings "placed" on their car. raising awareness, i suppose. AREN'T YOU PAYING ANY ATTENTION?!
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Hey, if the stickers are put on the rear bumper, what good will it do you, because the car will have already passed you.
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Would be a shame to put that sticker on an elderly person's car, or one of those careful mother drivers who are not intentionally trying to run anyone over but have over-cautious driving skills.
Now as for some of those damn teenagers.... ;) |
Do it! I will buy many. Probley be better than me hitting peoples cars with my foot and putting dents in car's to remind them they dont own the world.
It would be better if you could print it so that I could stick it to a window and the driver could read it. So do it, do it now. If not sooner! |
I dont think I've ever been witness to such a violent reaction to other road users.
Lets view it from their side. 1.) Road Tax 2.) Irresponsible cyclists endanger their own, and others lives by riding on the roads. 3.) Any other road going vehicle requires a theory and driving licence before someone is allowed on the roads. 4.) Many commuter cyclists and cyclists in general do not have any form of insurance. Any accident involving an wreckless cyclist means that the driver will have to foot the bill, not the cyclist who had caused it. Perhaps with a bit of perspective on the matter you can see why motor vehicle drivers have a certain distaste for us. I think whats needed is consideration not counter-productive, childish name calling and illegal vandalism. If you find yourself in a situation where you end up being in danger from a motorist then surely you are in part responsible for ending up in that situation. Fine... he didnt signal, and he didnt even look to see you, but what the hell were you doing riding in his blind spot anyway, did you look in his mirror to see if he looked in it as you came up by the side of him? I'm not a driver myself so you can take the above comments as simple observations and conclusions I personally have come to. But I do have to say, this thread... shows to me that perhaps its the Cyclists attitudes that need adjusting as opposed to the motorists. |
1) The majority of the money to maintain roads comes from various taxes we ALL pay... not just gasoline or 'road' taxes... and bicycles cause much less wear and tear on the roads than motor vehicles do.
2) True enough... the irresponsible ones do. 3) Then why the #@$@#$@#$@#$@#^ don't they know and/or follow the laws. 4) I and most other commuter cyclists I've met are NOT reckless... EVERY case in which I've been hit or nearly hit has been 100% the motorists fault. What is needed is driver education. MAKE THEM REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE TO SHARE THE ROADS. Whether they want to or not. PERIOD. If a cyclist is right hooked by a car that just passed two other cyclists and claims to have not seen ANY of them how is that the cyclists fault? Or a truck driver that pulls a turn too close to the corner and hits someone waiting? There ARE in fact some cyclists out there who's attitudes and actions need adjusting, but by and large, it's the MOTORISTS who are inattentive, abusive, and downright violent. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO USE THE ROAD. I will not change the way I ride because the motorists are a**h***s If I have to pound on a few cars, and/or chase down a motorist that's being dumb, so be it. They WILL share the road with me. Period. |
You all will be glad to know that we already have a system like this where I live.
The cars with a-hole drivers are easy to spot because most of them have a big sign on top that says "Pizza Hut" |
Originally Posted by legot73
You all will be glad to know that we already have a system like this where I live.
The cars with a-hole drivers are easy to spot because most of them have a big sign on top that says "Pizza Hut" |
Originally Posted by bmclaughlin807
EVERY case in which I've been hit or nearly hit has been 100% the motorists fault...I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO USE THE ROAD. I will not change the way I ride because the motorists are a**h***s
If I have to pound on a few cars, and/or chase down a motorist that's being dumb, so be it. They WILL share the road with me. Period. |
Originally Posted by bmclaughlin807
1) The majority of the money to maintain roads comes from various taxes we ALL pay... not just gasoline or 'road' taxes... and bicycles cause much less wear and tear on the roads than motor vehicles do.
2) True enough... the irresponsible ones do. 3) Then why the #@$@#$@#$@#$@#^ don't they know and/or follow the laws. 4) I and most other commuter cyclists I've met are NOT reckless... EVERY case in which I've been hit or nearly hit has been 100% the motorists fault. I know a colleague of mine who has ridden courier for 10 years now just commutes and trains, he even admits to having an accident he himself caused (left it too late to brake at lights (thought he could roll through) slammed on the anchors, rear wheel came up... round.. and pedals + head went through volvo estate rear window). What is needed is driver education. MAKE THEM REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE TO SHARE THE ROADS. Whether they want to or not. PERIOD. Many folks and kids out there riding the streets are doing so without ANY highway education at all. They dont know the rules of the road, nor do they understand how cars will act at junctions and so forth. If I want to ride a motorbike in my country I am required to past a test purely to chuck L Plates on the thing, and even then I have another test to pass and probation period (in most cases) prior to being fully qualified. Yet I can ride a pushbike that given ideal conditions can hit 30 - 40mph downhill no problem, with no training whatsoever. If a cyclist is right hooked by a car that just passed two other cyclists and claims to have not seen ANY of them how is that the cyclists fault? Or a truck driver that pulls a turn too close to the corner and hits someone waiting? There ARE in fact some cyclists out there who's attitudes and actions need adjusting, but by and large, it's the MOTORISTS who are inattentive, abusive, and downright violent. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO USE THE ROAD. I will not change the way I ride because the motorists are a**h***s If I have to pound on a few cars, and/or chase down a motorist that's being dumb, so be it. They WILL share the road with me. Period. Because im sure if I was driving a nice flashy sports car when all of a sudden some arse rode up and plastered a f**kface sticker on my windscreen, I'd be miffed... to the extent of making that cyclist eat that roll of stickers he has in his pocket, then place him under citizens arrest for criminal damage/vandalism. I am not saying be a complete wuss, just control your anger a little and you'll enjoy your ride more. So someone annoys the hell out of you, chalk it up to him being a complete arse and let it be. I wouldnt bother getting all out of breath to go and chase him down to flip him off, its childish imo. |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Everybody else is wrong and you are ALWAYS right. Uh Huh. And you are saintly bicyclist who is gonna teach everybody else right from wrong as determined by yourself? Get over yourself. Period. You ain't gonna "teach" anybody, anything; except what a jerk at least one bicyclist can be with that silly tough guy I'm always right attitude.
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It's been said already, but driver education is where it's at. I have a tricky section of my commute where the only thing I have going in my favor is some stupidazz "share the road" sign that does NOTHING to encourage drivers to avoid killing me. No kidding, I have had idiot cagers honk at me right as I have passed that pointless sign. Just today I was thinking to myself, "What they really need to do is extent the written driver's license test by 20 questions all related to sharing the road with bicycles and motorcycles." (I ride both.) I really do think it would make a demonstrable difference.
PS: A few pissed-off motorcyclist revenge tricks for you guys. One, spark plugs shatter windows really easily. Two, spraying brake cleaner on cars does nothing noticeable -- it's invisible until it eats the paint away after about 20 minutes of sitting. Three, superglue a BB to the inside of a valve stem cap. Replace a parked car's cap with one with the BB modification (preferably at 2 a.m. while wearing a ninja outfit). The BB presses the stem on a schrader valve just enough to mimic a slow leak. Eventually the cager will buy a new tire, never realizing your crafty revenge. |
How about a blood capsule taped to your hand. If they get close enough that you have to smack them, it'll leave a visible fake bloodstain. Illegal? Is it illegal to bleed on them when they run you over? We can use real blood then.
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Originally Posted by Gabbo
PS: A few pissed-off motorcyclist revenge tricks for you guys. One, spark plugs shatter windows really easily. Two, spraying brake cleaner on cars does nothing noticeable -- it's invisible until it eats the paint away after about 20 minutes of sitting.
Aren't you concerned about retribution (especially if you commute the same route every day)? |
Id just stick with grinding my spd cleat into the side of there car as I pass them by at the next red light, wont come off as easy ^^ *caution wear bullet proof vest*
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It's really sad there are so many here that seem to have such an anger issue. Makes them no better than the car drivers they rail against
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I remember the paintball idea. :) You get a certain number of "hits" on your car and the police give you a ticket. Or something.
Snowcrash. Good book. |
Originally Posted by legot73
You all will be glad to know that we already have a system like this where I live.
The cars with a-hole drivers are easy to spot because most of them have a big sign on top that says "Pizza Hut" |
Having read quite a few threads about aggressive car drivers on BF, and how cyclists do/dream to/would react to it, I seem to be living in a cyclists' paradise...
Sure, I do get the odd inattentive driver blocking my way or cutting into my lane - nobody is always 100% attentive. Now, I realise that car drivers should be, they have a lethal weapon on their hands. But hey, so have we cyclists. I remember a case here where an elderly person was killed by a cyclists going very fast through a pedestrian zone. Anyway, I hardly ever get agressive drivers. Thoughtless, yes. I once had a discussion with a car driver who cut me, and I shouted after him. He stopped, we spoke, in the end he said, "You know, you're right, I never saw it your way." Wished me a good ride and drove off. Yes, that happened... Let me tell you though, for every careless car driver here I see at least one if not more stupid cyclists, cutting pedestrians, cutting cars, passing in front of cablecars, not heeding stop signs, traffic lights or any other traffic laws - just basically being a nuisance to all other people around, endangering themselves and others by their stupid and inconsiderate behaviour. I've had several situations where I made eye contact with a car driver after another cyclists had more luck than brains, feeling the need to apologise for my fellow cyclist. This is not a problem of car drivers not recognising cyclists - it's a problem of people being egoistic and not recognising other people's right to use roads as well. Road rage is never good, and only helps widening the gap between traffickers. I'm not saying we can't defend ourselves - just stay within reasonable limits. We all have the right to use the roads, but with that right come the duty to give others their due room - both ways! |
Originally Posted by spambait11
Ouch.
Aren't you concerned about retribution (especially if you commute the same route every day)? If these violent fantasies were actually put into action, especially with motorists not selected by the Cycling Centurian as unlikely to retaliate (i.e. elderly drivers, teenage girls, etc.), the reaction may be most severe. Let's hear from these alleged tough guy enforcers of decorum about their experience with throwing down on "the other side of town" with a car load of loudmouth bored young men. Especially if the motorist "culprits" are from a different social economic background than the cyclist enforcer. Actually I'd expect to read of such incidents in the newspaper, maybe in the obituraries. |
I'm tempted to make leaflet-sized copies of local laws and hand them out to drivers I catch up to a stop lights.
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Originally Posted by Lucky07
I'm tempted to make leaflet-sized copies of local laws and hand them out to drivers I catch up to a stop lights.
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