you researched the worlds fastest 100m dash to be a tool and flame someone on the internet? Do you have anything else to do with your time? Go buy a model, mow the lawn, go ride, do something.

"you researched the worlds fastest 100m dash to be a tool and flame someone on the internet? Do you have anything else to do with your time? Go buy a model, mow the lawn, go ride, do something."

maybe you should go find something to do as well ... people come on here to talk, you have to let them.

I first read this thread a long time ago, and there was an issue that came up that stuck in my mind. Someone said that there is no way this (Denali)(Chinese) frame is good quality, and that other, more expensive bikes certainly have better frames.

Well, maybe.

Some of the stuff coming out of China is quite good. Not all of it, but some of it.

There is no way to tell, without more information or testing, how that Denali frame (and the particular aluminum alloy used in it) compares with other frames from other manufacturers.

There is an interesting article in a recent issue of Wired about Chinese copies of various sorts of products. Sometimes the quality is excellent, or even better than the original. Sometimes the same factories are used.

Some of those Chinese engineers and metallurgists are sharp and very well-educated. They are quite capable of putting together excellent products, and they do so at times.

yes, you are right. but when someone comes on here to consistently nit pick every thing said, without benefiting or adding anything useful to the particular thread, is it really worth it at all?

I think i read the same thing. I just hope the paint on my frame doesnt contain lead. Overall I have been happy with my Denali. Yea, theres better out there and I know this. Would I like a much better bike? Yes!!! Can I afford it? Not at present moment. But alas, I am quite happy with the Denali Pro and think despite its weight, its not such a bad ride.

In High school I ran a 100m with a 10.15 avage. Now I'd be lucky to run it under 12. I am 45 now. I did just last week run down two 20 year old guys stealing video games from my job. So there you have it.

I don't think anybody can really argue that the Denial looks like a bike and acts like a bike, it's just that, over the long haul, your money is probably better spent elsewhere. As far as getting from A to B, the frame is probably adequate. I wouldn't use the word "gossamer" in the same sentence as the Denial, but if it's straight and you can keep from wrapping it around a telephone pole, it probably won't give you much trouble.

The parts, however, is where the Denial becomes a potential money pit. The Chinese companies certainly are capable of producing quality products, but that quality comes at a premium, just like anywhere else in the world. To meet a pricepoint, which in this case is about $150, corners have to be cut in the manufacture of these components. Costs might be cut by using cheaper materials, cheaper production methods, not having to maintain strict tolerances, or cheaper finish, just to name a few. These parts will tend to wear faster than a higher quality component given the same amount of use. It might break outright, or it might just become sloppy and hard to keep adjusted. And when you do decide to replace those components (assuming you're still 'enjoying' your cycling experience) you'll find that it cost as much if not more than the bike cost new - still a great deal?

It would be a nice fantasy to think that it costs just as much to manufacture Ultegra as it does to manufacture the no-name stuff that comes on the Denial, and one is just as good as the other ,but it's just that - a fantasy. Better components cost more because it generally costs more to manufacture a higher quality part.

I think there are a lot of people in this thread who need to learn the difference between 'cheap' and 'inexpensive'.

(Oh, Niles, I mean "you" in the general sense, I have no contention with what you posted.)

Wow. Bum shoulder and all, huh? You are simply amazing. :roflmao: :rolleyes:

now, c'mon was that really called for?

Well,....yeah.

Think people need to calm down. The Denali meets a price point and uses brand name parts, albeit the lower end or "old tech". Put aside where the bike was purchased or how much it cost or who the bike company is and answer honestly: "If assembled and adjusted correctly, is the bike a good reliable bike?"

As far as where bikes are made or sourced from for the various bike companies...read this:
Where was my bike made?

WOW! How many state titles did you win when you were in high school? I had a buddy who was on the track team in college and he never came close to a 10.15, and he was a scholarshipped athelete. Cigtech you are simply amazing.

Well he asked. And yes I did win a lot

+1. I bet these people cannot wait to get home to come onto this thread and add their bs to it. I bet they wait all day for the moment to do it.

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"+1. I bet these people cannot wait to get home to come onto this thread and add their bs to it. I bet they wait all day for the moment to do it."

same with you i guess. (and yes, their comments do add something. something i think you'd have to admit since you respond to them)

as for this lovely claim by cigtech: "In High school I ran a 100m with a 10.15 avage."

where i come from it isn't very polite to lie ... see, where i come from Tyson Gay won the Kentucky State High-school meet with a time of 10.46 (a record that still stands, i think)
[edit. it does ... http://www.khsaa.org/records/track/s...eetrecords.pdf notice also that the fastest time in the nation for a high school athlete is 10.15] ... Now Tyson took a record setting time and went to college under a scholarship, then to a professional career as a runner ... and is now ... the fastest man in the world.

and then lets consider the times for a random collegiate athlete: http://www.gatorzone.com/trackfield/...io=farmer.html

the link points to Kyle Farmer ... a onetime NCAA champion, onetime SEC champion, and nine-time all-american runner at the University of Florida. With serious training in college (most of which he spent running the 4X100m relay) his personal best was 10.29 in his sophmore year.

As yet another point of comparison ... back to Tyson Gay (while at the University of Arkansas). This is a link for the record times for the history of the University of Arkansas. Tyson ranks first, but apparently Cigtech would rank fourth as a high school student! (notice that Tyson's is only .09 faster than CigTech's average)

http://www.hogwired.com/pdf6/79517.p...DB_OEM_ID=6100

Cigtech claims that his AVERAGE time was 10.15? In high school? So unless he ran all 10.15 (impossible), then he must have gotten below 10.15 to keep the average right? Holy Crap.

F'in Liar.

oh, and your bike sucks too.

(now that was just a joke)

this was interesting. good and informative. at least something worthwhile was posted on here pertaining to the thread.

I thought for sure the Deniali was going to implode right at 1,576 miles, but it took two cars to bring her down.

cigtech - will you rebuild it? (will Kent give you a deal on a replacement frame?) are you buying another? will the peugeut ride again?

Maybe it's time to lock this thread?

Wow, Apple fanboys have nothing on CigTech admirers.

I think the key here is he was wearing a pair of Levi Strauss' Signature jeans from WalMart

Plenty of world class athletes fade away to obscurity and wind up working retail. Just look at Al Bundy & Michael Vick.

No way man I want to hear more about cigtechs amazing physical feats. Cig, how much can you bench press?

Please lock this thread. The review is done

seriously cig please tell us about how you got to be one of the fastest men on earth

or just admit that at least half of the things you claim in this thread happened only in your imagination

whoaaaa, when did i attack you in the thread? apple fanboys? take it easy bro.......

I will tell you exactly how that Denali frame is.

I took one, took off the wheels, and tried to smash the bejeezus out of it on a concrete pad, and then
tied a cable through the steerer and whipped it around as fast as possible to try to destroy it. all I could do was bend it, and it was hard to do.

I did a similar thing to a YETI ARC aluminum mountainbike frame years ago. very high end frame.

had a hard time cracking the YETI but it did eventually crack.

you wanna really know ? the denali will never break on you. the parts might break, because the
parts are weak. frame, not so much. maybe if you put 20,000 miles on it
and let it sit outside in winter and then maybe it will fail

it is heavy, and the ride is not supple and responsive. it eats energy just trying to get it rolling.
a cyclist with time on good frames will know immediately and will try to get off the bike
as quickly as they can. but break ? it will never break or fail with normal hard riding. you will break first.

Thanks for the input. Apparently automobiles and telephone poles have no effect either.