Drivetrain Locks- as a Lock that Prevents Motion
#26
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Originally Posted by donnamb
I'll bet you've got a low rate of bike theft in your small town, don't you? <sigh>
#27
You could flip the bike upside down. I have seen people with no lock do this. That way they stall them long enough to jump em Plus your chain lock is right there in sight.
I seen a guy do this type of lock in Vegas it was right outside a Casino. Simple U-lock around the front tire makes them do a wheely or carry while showing every one there is a u lock. Yet I have to be within less than 15 seconds of kicking thier ass if I am going this route.
I seen a guy do this type of lock in Vegas it was right outside a Casino. Simple U-lock around the front tire makes them do a wheely or carry while showing every one there is a u lock. Yet I have to be within less than 15 seconds of kicking thier ass if I am going this route.
#29
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Originally Posted by MrCjolsen
OK, we need some stats.
What percentage of bike thefts are ride offs, vs. someone carry's the bike away or puts it in a vehicle.
Does anyone have those numbers?
What percentage of bike thefts are ride offs, vs. someone carry's the bike away or puts it in a vehicle.
Does anyone have those numbers?
Care to guess how many, of the hundreds of people who saw me walking around downtown with a bike slung over my shoulder, questioned me?
Bueller?
Bueller?
Zero. None. I wasn't given any attention whatsoever. People kept walking. No one even glanced to see if I was hauling a freelocked bike.
#30
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I don't lock my bike at all, ever. There have been a half dozen times in the last 3 years when I would have liked to have locked it, but for a couple of times a year it's just not worth carrying a lock. I have one, it's a cheapo $6 combo lock from KMart. I don't doubt it could be broken with almost any tool, but I'm sure it would be enough to stop anyone around here; bike theft just doesn't happen here.
A little one like that gun lock looks interesting though; I could fit that in my tool bag and forget about it except for the 2 or 3 times a year I actually feel that I should lock the thing.
If I'm just running into a store for a few minutes and can park the bike by a window, I don't worry about it. The people in the stores around here are usually close to the windows and I say hi to them when I walk in, and I'm pretty sure if someone else messed with my bike they'd raise hell. If I go into a supermarket or a big box store or something where I'll have to leave the bike outside where nobody can see it, it'd make me a little more comfortable to be able to put a little lock on it, though honestly I think the odds of it getting stolen are pretty low.
The stores around here are all isolated, there's pretty much no way to get there without driving, so anyone that's there has a car and is unlikely to go stealing bikes.
A little one like that gun lock looks interesting though; I could fit that in my tool bag and forget about it except for the 2 or 3 times a year I actually feel that I should lock the thing.
If I'm just running into a store for a few minutes and can park the bike by a window, I don't worry about it. The people in the stores around here are usually close to the windows and I say hi to them when I walk in, and I'm pretty sure if someone else messed with my bike they'd raise hell. If I go into a supermarket or a big box store or something where I'll have to leave the bike outside where nobody can see it, it'd make me a little more comfortable to be able to put a little lock on it, though honestly I think the odds of it getting stolen are pretty low.
The stores around here are all isolated, there's pretty much no way to get there without driving, so anyone that's there has a car and is unlikely to go stealing bikes.
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#31
I, too, have a ring lock on my bike (also a Breezer). I like it for use at work, where everyone drives and there is a security gate (also, I park it inside). But, I also use it for quick stops on the way home if I didn't bring my cable lock.
While I agree that someone could just carry my bike away and wouldn't be stopped, I feel we live in a safe area and the chances of that are very, very low.
Places I use it at just last week include our High School--for a track meet, library, and market. I didn't want to leave it at the market, but I shopped quickly. I would use this at our barber shop, too, and have done that several times.
When I know I'm going places like our market or Aldi's, which are on bigger roads, I take my lock.
While I agree that someone could just carry my bike away and wouldn't be stopped, I feel we live in a safe area and the chances of that are very, very low.
Places I use it at just last week include our High School--for a track meet, library, and market. I didn't want to leave it at the market, but I shopped quickly. I would use this at our barber shop, too, and have done that several times.
When I know I'm going places like our market or Aldi's, which are on bigger roads, I take my lock.
#32
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Hmm. Is there ANY source for those ring locks in the US?
Googling, I see UK sources, and I see some cruiser style bikes in the US with ring locks installed, but no source for just the locks.
Googling, I see UK sources, and I see some cruiser style bikes in the US with ring locks installed, but no source for just the locks.
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#33
Originally Posted by MrCjolsen
OK, we need some stats.
What percentage of bike thefts are ride offs, vs. someone carry's the bike away or puts it in a vehicle.
Does anyone have those numbers?
What percentage of bike thefts are ride offs, vs. someone carry's the bike away or puts it in a vehicle.
Does anyone have those numbers?
The bike was stolen - so no-one knows whether it was ridden off or put in a vehicle or just cut off like the NYC video.
Mine was just ridden off... cause it wasn't locked
#34
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A small lock around a chain just doesn't seem strong enough. The chain can be easily broken and the thief can just coast away with the bike using it much like a push-scooter.
If your bike has a rear disc it's really easy to put a padlock through the disc to prevent it from being ridden away. And that rear disc is not easily broken so it's a bit safer.
My old eBike had one built-in and it worked because the ebike was just too heavy to be carried away.
If your bike has a rear disc it's really easy to put a padlock through the disc to prevent it from being ridden away. And that rear disc is not easily broken so it's a bit safer.
My old eBike had one built-in and it worked because the ebike was just too heavy to be carried away.
#35
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when motorcycle disc locks became popular after many incidents where the user forgot to remove said disc lock the lock manufacturers started including a magnet in a flourescent color to put over the ignition,
I think a much more effective combo of this type would be a lock to imobilize the rear and a MC type fork lock so you can only wheel the bike in circles, this would only be effective though if your bike weighed alot.
I wonder if you could find some thin braided clear fishing line that could stop a bike with a rider cold, attach it to the front hub, kinda like the old chain around the rear axle prank... I wonder how long you'd need it to be to be effective?
I think a much more effective combo of this type would be a lock to imobilize the rear and a MC type fork lock so you can only wheel the bike in circles, this would only be effective though if your bike weighed alot.
I wonder if you could find some thin braided clear fishing line that could stop a bike with a rider cold, attach it to the front hub, kinda like the old chain around the rear axle prank... I wonder how long you'd need it to be to be effective?
#36
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From: Albuquerque, NM
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Originally Posted by tsl
You want harsh? Step out of Starbucks or wherever and find your bike gone. That's harsh.
The OP demonstrates his lack of knowledge about something as simple and low-tech as chains with his statement:
And finally if your chain has a MasterLink, they can just disconnect that. This is true, but without a functional chain they still can't ride the bike.
Um, if it is a master link, wouldn't I just reconnect it and ride off? And if I have to use a chain tool, I carry spare PowerLinks with me at all times. I wouldn't even have to mess around with replacement pins. Under a minute and I own your bike, leaving your cute little lock behind.
The OP demonstrates his lack of knowledge about something as simple and low-tech as chains with his statement:
And finally if your chain has a MasterLink, they can just disconnect that. This is true, but without a functional chain they still can't ride the bike.
Um, if it is a master link, wouldn't I just reconnect it and ride off? And if I have to use a chain tool, I carry spare PowerLinks with me at all times. I wouldn't even have to mess around with replacement pins. Under a minute and I own your bike, leaving your cute little lock behind.
If the lock is on the master link, removing the master link would indeed allow the lock to be removed. However, if the lock is on any other link, opening the master link will not allow the lock to be removed - it's still locked to a closed link of the chain. Clearly one would not choose the master link to put the lock through. Last time I checked, there were no master links that magically remove every side plate from the entire chain.
Not that I'm going to start locking my bike this way, for a variety of reasons listed by others. Too easy to cut the lock off, too easy to forget the lock and trash a chainring or a derailleur, too messy to get my hands anywhere near the chain.
If I wanted a small lock that could do this sort of freelocking I'd be inclined to put one of the miniature U-locks around the rear rim, which would prevent it from rotating past the brake caliper. As it is, if I'm going to be near the bike I lock it with a cable, and I don't leave the bike places where I won't be near it.
#37
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Originally Posted by Lt.Gustl
when motorcycle disc locks became popular after many incidents where the user forgot to remove said disc lock the lock manufacturers started including a magnet in a flourescent color to put over the ignition,
I think a much more effective combo of this type would be a lock to imobilize the rear and a MC type fork lock so you can only wheel the bike in circles, this would only be effective though if your bike weighed alot.
I wonder if you could find some thin braided clear fishing line that could stop a bike with a rider cold, attach it to the front hub, kinda like the old chain around the rear axle prank... I wonder how long you'd need it to be to be effective?
I think a much more effective combo of this type would be a lock to imobilize the rear and a MC type fork lock so you can only wheel the bike in circles, this would only be effective though if your bike weighed alot.
I wonder if you could find some thin braided clear fishing line that could stop a bike with a rider cold, attach it to the front hub, kinda like the old chain around the rear axle prank... I wonder how long you'd need it to be to be effective?
But a padlock on the chain could damage the gears and such so I'm a bit against that.
#38
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What if instead of putting the lock through a single link, you had a tall skinny lock that went through one link on the top part of the chain and one link on the bottom? This would solve the "lock getting into my sprocket" problem, since it would be impossible to move the chain in either direction without trying to stretch the lock. It wouldn't even need to be that tall, since you could "pinch" your chain together in the middle.
#39
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I put a bright green padlock through my rear derailer. Its large enough that its impossible to rotate the crank around it. Its intended use is as a detterent. Its a nuisance for thieves. But its not the only lock I use. A D-lock and thick cable lock are also used. I never leave my bike not locked to some thing unless its totally unavoidable. Even then, I make sure the bike is within sight and 10 metres of me.




