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Elusor 05-26-07 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by commutr
I've only had one confrontation and a few stupid kids calling me names. The one confrontation was a few years ago when I'd ride through town to get to the start of a trail. The car pulled over really close and the passenger screamed out "eat my door". I stopped and watched the passenger open the door just past me. The car stops, two teenagers get out and start calling me names. I reach for the pepper spray. Passenger pulls out a tire iron from the backseat. Someone called the police, because a cruiser showed up right about this time. Driver claims I kicked the door. Cop separates us. Asks me for ID. I show him my gun license (full concealed carry and sub-mg), because frankly it looks like my driver's license and in the adrenaline rush, I didn't notice the difference. His eyes widen and he asks, "Are you?" I say, "Always." Tells me to have a nice ride and thanks for keeping a cool head. As I'm calming myself down, putting the pepper spray away, I hear the cop yelling at the two kids, "Be glad he only pulled out the pepper spray! What were you going to do with that tire iron?!" The kid with the tire iron is in handcuffs bent over the hood of the car. I ride home, figuring no amount of trails is going to be better than this. I hope I don't have to get into that again. Names I can handle. Attempted physical harm is just wrong. I haven't had any name-calling nor bad experiences in the past few weeks as I've started commuting again.

good man!

we need more like you not to let advantage takens of you.

should allows laws for legal going postage where justify!

AtomicCactus 05-26-07 05:48 PM

I definitely do see a decent number of cyclists that give other law-abiding cyclists a bad name. That's rather unfortunate, as up here in Winnipeg, I'd say the motorists are pretty nice towards them. However, as Spider said, the motorists are far more likely to cause slow-downs in traffic. Many of them ploddle along 10 km/h or more under the speed limit, driving without any sense of urgency or anything of the sort. Frankly, I've given up on driving here as there's usually some dumb-dumb at the front backing traffic way up. By cycling, I am the limiting factor, and I can live with that. As well, here in Winnipeg, we have four seasons: winter, winter, still winter, and construction. If people aren't driving slow because of the snow, then there's bound to be numerous tight bottlenecks on the road due to construction.

Anyhow, most motorists are really nice to me, I'd have to say. Sometimes, it can get annoying, like the ones who don't pass me even though they have enough room to (and aren't hard on my tail). I ride within about 70 cm from the curb, so I'm not a terribly huge obstruction. The lanes here are wide enough for a cyclist and motorist. Apparently, the lanes were built large for the big cars of the ol' glory days way back when.

While riding, I've gotten, "Hey baby I love you!" and, "Sup dawg!" and, "Hey, how's it going?" There's this one particular "valley" with a decent grade going down and up (Hey, it's the prairies! Give it some credit! :)). On the down portion, I can sometimes hit speeds close to that of the vehicles, and I've had on numerous occasions, people who'd roll down their window, stick their heads out, and yell, "Woooooo!!!" Haha.

I really feel sorry for those that feel there are adversaries out on the road. Maybe, it's only a matter of time until I'll run into people like that. I'll be prepared: I have a large, heavy wrench within easy reach with me at all times while cycling. I know how to use it :fight:.

cradduck 05-26-07 06:50 PM

This may be a flame waiting to happen but I wonder how much the aggression can be divided towards different riders?

Do commuters wearing bright jerseys and spandex shorts get more negative attention than those wearing more casual and blander colored jersreys or maybe visa versa since those with the brighter colored jerseys show belonging to a seperate herd?

Are there certain days or times that acts of potential violence or assault are more likely take place?

Also as a seperate question...How many have nearly or literally come to blows because of something that has happened during the commute? I have never had it come down to that but it is somewhat scary that a few people have.

pedalMonger 05-26-07 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by pj7
That is very true.
I've had several friend who have had their asses handed to them in a streetfight but later vendicated themselves in a most unpleasant and uncalled for way. A fight by the way, which they were in the wrong in the first place. It's just the attitude of some people. An attitude I shared for the longest of time. and I use the knowledge I gained from my experiences to better myself and hopefull inform others. It's a penance of sorts that I pay; I have spoken to troubled teenagers in assemblies and participate on forums about such things.


Keep up the good work pj7! Glad to hear you overcame your probs and are part of the solution today.

pedalMonger 05-26-07 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by DataJunkie
This thread is making me paranoid. I can't fight worth a rat's rear end. Skinny with no upper body strength. Maybe pepper spray would be a good idea for me.

I'm sure you've heard the cliche, that just cuz your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you! :eek: :) Carrying pepper spray probably wouldn't be a bad idea, make sure you know how to use it tho, maybe get two and discharge one to make sure you know how it works, how far it sprays, etc. And don't spray it against the wind of course. I think tasers are legal to carry in some areas for self defense also.

Keeping a cell phone handy to call the cops with is a good idea also, if somebody stops a car and gets out, just putting a cell phone to your ear and telling the potential assailants you are telling 911 their car's license plate number might make a diff.

Odds are against this sort thing happening tho, more likely to get injured by somebody driving recklessly out of ignorance then willful malevolence. But its best to be prepared.

pedalMonger 05-26-07 08:33 PM

I think some of the "******" comments are probably related to cyclist attire. Baggy clothes are "hip" still I think, among the younger crowd who are more likely to vent their hormonal frustrations on cyclists and others. They don't understand that the tight fitting clothes are worn to cut down on wind resistance, and annoying flapping of loose clothing.

Bekologist 05-26-07 08:38 PM

you actually need to ASK about road rage?

yep. i get raged. I'm ready to fight back when they step out of the vehicle. but most drivers are chicken except when protected by their car. I'm been 'threatened' and attempted to be run off the road three times this year already. maybe they were just playing around?

IPCostello 05-26-07 10:33 PM

I remember that for the longest time it seemed to me that everybody held anti-cyclist sentiments; I would get the usual idiots shouting "******" at me or tail-gating me every other night. In addition, I would have the police pull me over every other week despite having all the proper lighting, reflectors and following the laws of the road.

I was quite fed-up with everybody and riding to and from work became a hassle. I was always told that people who tease or make fun of you are insecure of themselves and/or envious of you in some ways. Perhaps some of these idiots have some kind of "bike-envy" seating deep within their subconcious minds? Who knows...

As for the police, I have no idea other than they just want to show their superiors that they are actually out scanning their areas.

CB HI 05-27-07 12:25 AM

This thread is turning into the pj7 and Blue Order love fest.

Anyway, pj7's buddies and other bullies like this do end up in jail.

I spent 20 years in the military willing to fight for the freedoms my family enjoys. I'll be damned if I am going to give those freedoms away to a bunch of cowards.

If pj7 and Blue Order wish to just give away their freedoms and live under the thumbs of the bullies, fine, but many of us refuse to.

Tom Stormcrowe 05-27-07 12:31 AM

I dunno, I found out a while back that you can knock a hole in a Corvette's door with a well placed hit from a bike chain and lock when they are trying to crowd you over the curb!:D He was playing games with me and I had just absolutely had it. He took off like a scalded cat, by the way!:p

Neil_B 05-27-07 01:08 AM


Originally Posted by -=Łem in Pa=-
Ill have been in three states in three years this June :cry:
PA was ruff....not as bad as some of the stuff I read here,
but could be a challenge. ...
But, yeah....people hate anything they *think* is going to slow
them down. CageRage is something Ill always expect no matter
where I am. That .5 of a second they need to slow or yeild
ROW can be a crucial factor in reaching the next red lite or
sale at WAL*MART
:rolleyes:

Tell me about it. During my 25 mile trip today I had food thrown at me, horns honked, and comments shouted out of windows. I had just passed a "share the road" sign when the fries were tossed at me. :-)

SingingSabre 05-27-07 01:20 AM

I've been yelled at and buzzed. No worries, though. I've had much, much worse done to me by far more poisonous people in my life. It's fun, too, to get my frustrations with my day out of me by yelling at a JAM/cager.

I've been called "spic," "f*ggot," "****," "loser," and whatnot. If that's the best they got, then no worries.

It's rare, though. It happens to me a lot less than other people who ride in my town. I think it's because I smile and wave when people pass me safely. I think it's beause I don't ride with an attitude of "don't mess with me" but of "life is beautiful, is, was, and shall be."

I've gotten more winks, more smiles, more waves, more blown kisses than I have insults and buzzes.

pedalMonger 05-27-07 01:34 AM

Nice blog Historian!

Cyclist0383 05-27-07 02:00 AM

I've cycled in many countries and have only had it happen to me in the US.

_beaver_ 05-27-07 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by Spider




This sort of thing doesn't end with cycling. You will experience all kinds of resistance when you decide to step away from societal norms. Most of the resistance will be subtle. Some will be forceful and even violent. You just have to rise above it and affirm your right to choose how you live your life.

Very well put :beer:

_beaver_ 05-27-07 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by Ziemas
I've cycled in many countries and have only had it happen to me in the US.

Yeah , people in some other countries simply runs one over without saying a word :rolleyes:

_beaver_ 05-27-07 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by The Historian
I had food thrown at me

I wish someone would throw food at me :)

_beaver_ 05-27-07 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by Bekologist
you actually need to ASK about road rage?

yep. i get raged. I'm ready to fight back when they step out of the vehicle. but most drivers are chicken except when protected by their car.

I agree but it only takes one to step out with a weapon & your life will be over in one way or another.

Neil_B 05-27-07 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by _beaver_
I wish someone would throw food at me :)

It was a couple of french fries. They are along Ridge Pike in Trappe, if you want them. :-)

Neil_B 05-27-07 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by pedalMonger
Nice blog Historian!

Thank you.

cyclezealot 05-27-07 05:10 AM

Gonna have to agree with Ziemas. ONly time it's happened to me is in the US. Some say the cycling friendly gear ( clothing) is the cause. It offends US anti gay fears, some say. ? I don't buy it. The time some kids were about to chase me down a road in Klamath Falls, OR. ; I was wearing Addidas street clothes. Still got called ******.

_beaver_ 05-27-07 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by The Historian
It was a couple of french fries. They are along Ridge Pike in Trappe, if you want them. :-)

Well i might want them but that is sort of far away. Having food thrown at me sure would beat the hell out of dumpster diving, that is for sure.

_beaver_ 05-27-07 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by cyclezealot
Still got called ******.

Did that upset you? :cry:

_beaver_ 05-27-07 05:27 AM

Honestly , i don't what's wrong with you whiners of the board ,i walk all around in public in my spandex shorts , jersey, little sissy socks & shoes , let 'em stare who cares,i sure don't. Yoou know if you can't stand the heat then get away from the heat or move to another country where everyone is alot more bicycle friendly(like the Philipines) & much all round nicer people.

cyclezealot 05-27-07 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by _beaver_
Did that upset you? :cry:

Not at all. Sometimes I take pleasure in offending stupid jerks. Caused me to show em , sometimes I can do a decent sprint. Even , if I had to do a California stop at a stop sign.


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