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mstrpete 03-06-08 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by Abneycat (Post 6295495)
Actually, this reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy-nz...eature=related this :D

Awesome.
I'd better install that handlebar airbag ;)

OK, now I really have to go.

JTGraphics 03-06-08 11:55 PM


Originally Posted by makeinu (Post 6292239)
A good grip is not necessarily a tight grip. A good grip is an unobstructed grip that allows you to apply the right amount of force for the situation. Putting brake levers between your hands and the handlebars hinders that. It might even force you to use too tight a grip (for example, lightening your grip might prevent you from squeezing the levers with enough force to skillfully engage the brake).
Which is exactly why it's a bad idea to either commit your hands to braking by putting them over the brake levers or commit them to steering by putting them under the brake levers. Using different extremities for braking and steering allows you to switch between the two more quickly, but if you are stuck being committed to one and can't switch fast enough then you might be tempted to do both simultaneously because you can't do either one with the necessary precision..

I don't think your really looking for an answer, but you don't put your hands on the brake levers its 2 fingers. Leaving your palm and 3 fingers to keep hold of the bars so switching as you call it shouldn't be an issue.

Severian 03-07-08 12:29 AM


Originally Posted by chipcom (Post 6294551)
Holy crap, are you trying out for the HH Wall of Words competition?

holy sht chipcom, have you never seen a makeinu post?!?

This is par for le tet de cours!

tjspiel 03-07-08 01:58 AM

Yes, I can steer and brake at the same 'cause I have skills beyond mere mortals. I can also stand and pedal at the same time without falling off, -even with platform pedals. You don't always have to grip something to move it, hence you can steer without having a death grip. My thumbs/palms do most of the steering, leaving my fingers to do the braking.

JTGraphics' post also applies to me with road bikes. I only have two fingers on the lever. On a mountain bike, I have all 4 fingers on the lever and my thumb on the bar, but if I look at where my fingers land, it's only the outside fingers for the most part that actuate the lever. The inside fingers mostly grip.

modernjess 03-07-08 09:12 AM

To the OP's credit, it is one of the more entertaining threads I've seen in a while.

mstrpete 03-07-08 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by modernjess (Post 6296812)
To the OP's credit, it is one of the more entertaining threads I've seen in a while.

Yes, like a giant train wreck, I can't seem to stay away. I just wonder what bizarre opinion will pop up next-seats are over-rated? Wheels too round? Who knows? That's the excitement.

Paul L. 03-07-08 10:47 AM

Hmmm, he hasn't posted in awhile. Perhaps he has been shamed or adjusted his handlebars. Just maybe, in a long shot, he feared becoming the next makeinu, merton, or R600durace. Be afraid, be very afraid young skywalker.

BikEthan 03-07-08 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by Paul L. (Post 6297379)
Hmmm, he hasn't posted in awhile. Perhaps he has been shamed or adjusted his handlebars. Just maybe, in a long shot, he feared becoming the next makeinu, merton, or R600durace. Be afraid, be very afraid young skywalker.

Uh... the OP IS makeinu.

Paul L. 03-07-08 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by BikEthan (Post 6297521)
Uh... the OP IS makeinu.

Oops. Sorry, Too early in the morning. I am shamed! :(

Although now my comment about the lifted handlebars in relation to his chain tool thread makes perfect sense.

JTGraphics 03-07-08 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by tjspiel (Post 6295992)
JTGraphics' post also applies to me with road bikes. I only have two fingers on the lever. On a mountain bike, I have all 4 fingers on the lever and my thumb on the bar, but if I look at where my fingers land, it's only the outside fingers for the most part that actuate the lever. The inside fingers mostly grip.

It dont matter road or MB you should be using 2 fingers your pointing and middle fingers are the ones that should be used on the lever not the 2 outside fingers. Which is why your having problems. Old habits will be hard to brake;). As an old motorcycle racer this is how its done, ask any rider and you'll get the same answer. You shouldn't be using the outside fingers for the lever.

Mr. Underbridge 03-07-08 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by BikEthan (Post 6297521)
Uh... the OP IS makeinu.

This thread has officially reached hall of fame status.

AlmostTrick 03-07-08 12:33 PM

You may be happy to hear that I am working out the bugs on a braking system that doesn't require the use of hands or feet. It is a collection of small face sensors that can detect when you smile, and then send an electronic signal to a modified disc brake unit. It applies braking force in relation to how big your grin is. I figure this way when I see a hot chick (and pretty much lose control of my hands and feet) my bike will automatically stop so I can talk to her. In extreme cases of beauty it may launch me over the handlebars, but either way I think she'll be impressed.

Paul L. 03-07-08 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by AlmostTrick (Post 6298025)
You may be happy to hear that I am working out the bugs on a braking system that doesn't require the use of hands or feet. It is a collection of small face sensors that can detect when you smile, and then send an electronic signal to a modified disc brake unit. It applies braking force in relation to how big your grin is. I figure this way when I see a hot chick (and pretty much lose control of my hands and feet) my bike will automatically stop so I can talk to her. In extreme cases of beauty it may launch me over the handlebars, but either way I think she'll be impressed.

Does it compensate for say someone with a tick, or perhaps the creepy guy who always smiles?

caloso 03-07-08 12:50 PM

That chain thread was epic. Funniest thing I've read on BF since Nathan Fabian.

BikEthan 03-07-08 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Paul L. (Post 6297822)
Oops. Sorry, Too early in the morning. I am shamed! :(

Although now my comment about the lifted handlebars in relation to his chain tool thread makes perfect sense.

Meh... no worries. We all have our moments. :)

banerjek 03-07-08 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by makeinu (Post 6292239)
Considering the fact that I didn't mention any experience, I'm quite surprised at how many folks find that their experience differs. What exactly is your experience different from?

I was thinking you probably didn't mention what you didn't have. Don't get me wrong -- I'm in favor of challenging traditions. People used to think the world is flat. However, I can't see how anyone who has ridden much at all could possibly think what you think about braking except....


Originally Posted by Paul L. (Post 6292614)
Ok guys, I think I understand him now. Picture a road bike, the normal curve handlebars have been rotated up so the curves stare you in the face and the brakes are now towards you and not pointed down the road. This sounds like the situation our OP is in. I see lots of these guys around (they do it to incorrectly to get a more upright position). I say this half in jest, but it makes all of the above arguments sound sensible if this is the dangerous handbrakes he is talking about.

If this is the case, you have not only messed up your braking, but you have completely destroyed the handling characteristics of your bike. While it gives some indication as to where you got your ideas, it's not the fault of the brakes if you screw up your bike and render it unsafe.

rprznt 03-07-08 04:13 PM

i ride a track bike for commuting, what would i know about brakes?

markhr 03-07-08 04:22 PM

just thought I'd add to the flavor of the......uh.......discussion

break

http://stuweb.ee.mtu.edu/~jamchris/F...t-com-logo.jpg

brake

http://paxracingstore.com/shop/image...s%20Brakes.jpg

Severian 03-07-08 04:56 PM

markhr,

You will be forgiven for breaking my screen w/ your massive images only because the desired effect is funny. :D

markhr 03-07-08 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Severian (Post 6299476)
markhr,

You will be forgiven for breaking my screen w/ your massive images only because the desired effect is funny. :D

thanks :D

CommuterRun 03-07-08 05:04 PM

Day-ummm. That brake looks big enough for a Fatboy Harley.:D

Severian 03-07-08 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by markhr (Post 6299522)
thanks :D

Except, if you wanted to make a visual joke it would have been more direct and grotesque if you'd found an image of someone's broken leg.

dobovedo 03-07-08 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by markhr (Post 6299522)
thanks :D

Took me forever to figure out what was wrong with my browser. I kept hitting the back button and the previous page was fine. Finally realized I had to scroll down further.

What can I say... it's Friday and been a long week. I need a nap.

Hilarious.

CommuterRun 03-07-08 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Severian (Post 6299551)
Except, if you wanted to make a visual joke it would have been more direct and grotesque if you'd found an image of someone's broken leg.

"These are Mr. Doe's brains."

"These of Mr. Doe's brains on pavement."

"Any questions?";)

AlmostTrick 03-07-08 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by Paul L. (Post 6298081)
Does it compensate for say someone with a tick, or perhaps the creepy guy who always smiles?

Not quite yet. But my "Smile-n-Skid" brakiing system is already much safer than those dangerous hand levers.


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