helmet advice?
#26
A bit contrary to some other posts here, but I dropped a relative bundle (~$120) on a Bell Sweep a few years ago and couldn't be happier. It goes on my head every day.
I find the Giro helmets are too circular for my head. Bell seems to be a bit more oval.
I find the Giro helmets are too circular for my head. Bell seems to be a bit more oval.
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I know this flies against the opinion of most people but through my years of commuting, I've gone through about 5 helmets. Went from a bmx to a regular commuter to a mtb to a roadie helmet and I've found that the more expensive road/mtb helmets are much better in terms of comfort.
The reason is that while they all comply to the same minimum standards for safety, the more expensive ones do so while being much better vented, hence keeping you cooler.
I'll go through the list of the types of helmets I've had.

Heavy, hot, looked good though.

Was an ok helmet, didn't vent that well, especially when you're working hard or when it's hot.

Quite possibly the best helmet I've used. Used it for both commuting and mountain biking. It has HUGE vents and can vent really well even at relatively slow speeds. Also fit much better and felt really light.
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This is what I'm using now since I upgraded the helmet on my road bike; I decided to use the atmos for commuting. It's VERY light, feels almost weightless, but it doesn't have a visor (Which i sometimes miss when the sun's in my eye). Vents almost as well as the giro above.
The last one I had before this one was a pneumo, very similar, and I smashed it about a year ago.
The reason is that while they all comply to the same minimum standards for safety, the more expensive ones do so while being much better vented, hence keeping you cooler.
I'll go through the list of the types of helmets I've had.

Heavy, hot, looked good though.

Was an ok helmet, didn't vent that well, especially when you're working hard or when it's hot.

Quite possibly the best helmet I've used. Used it for both commuting and mountain biking. It has HUGE vents and can vent really well even at relatively slow speeds. Also fit much better and felt really light.
https://www.performancebike.com/produ...-BRN-ANGLE.jpg

This is what I'm using now since I upgraded the helmet on my road bike; I decided to use the atmos for commuting. It's VERY light, feels almost weightless, but it doesn't have a visor (Which i sometimes miss when the sun's in my eye). Vents almost as well as the giro above.
The last one I had before this one was a pneumo, very similar, and I smashed it about a year ago.
#29
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The best helmet I've ever had is my Bell Metro. Fits well and the price is right, especially for all the accessories included. The included accessories are another thing I really like about this helmet.
#30
Just about any helmet is good (they all have to meet/pass CPSC standards)...it's a matter of 'proper' fit and for some people, weight and/or venting efficiency. The foam will break down over time, so inspect your helmet on a yearly basis. Check the helmet recall sites before buying, even some of the top-of-the-line models are not immune to failing tests or lack of impact protection.
#31
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For commuter use, fashion is irrelevant! The best helmet is either white or a highly-visible color (reflective materials are even better), has a round, hard shell (number of vents is not all that important since you will sweat buckets anyway), a secure fastening system, and FITS YOUR HEAD!
For most of us, A BMX/skate style helmet will work no matter the riding position even if it looks "dorky" to some people. Perhaps the best type is a BMX full face helmet, but if one is riding in a really low position/uses drop bars one cannot wear one of these (the visor and/or chin guard will impede vision by cropping out a large part of the critical visual field). In the latter case, the fact a helmet is full-face does NOT create problems with hearing what's going on around oneself and actually can help (by cutting down/out noise artifacts such as wind squeal). Both these types of helmets work better for keeping the weather off, too (a concern if one rides year-round in almost any weather).
If one crashes? A smooth, round surface helmet will slide along the pavement, minimizing possible additional injury. A real problem with the "aero" helmets (and visors which are not designed to break away easily) is that the "sharper" edges WILL tend to "catch" on the pavement/ground and therefore raise the risk of injury simply because the helmet is there.
Not a small problem: What good would it be to protect the head against impact if one does fall but to end up paralyzed anyway because the helmet's edges "stuck" on the pavement and one's neck got broken?
For most of us, A BMX/skate style helmet will work no matter the riding position even if it looks "dorky" to some people. Perhaps the best type is a BMX full face helmet, but if one is riding in a really low position/uses drop bars one cannot wear one of these (the visor and/or chin guard will impede vision by cropping out a large part of the critical visual field). In the latter case, the fact a helmet is full-face does NOT create problems with hearing what's going on around oneself and actually can help (by cutting down/out noise artifacts such as wind squeal). Both these types of helmets work better for keeping the weather off, too (a concern if one rides year-round in almost any weather).
If one crashes? A smooth, round surface helmet will slide along the pavement, minimizing possible additional injury. A real problem with the "aero" helmets (and visors which are not designed to break away easily) is that the "sharper" edges WILL tend to "catch" on the pavement/ground and therefore raise the risk of injury simply because the helmet is there.
Not a small problem: What good would it be to protect the head against impact if one does fall but to end up paralyzed anyway because the helmet's edges "stuck" on the pavement and one's neck got broken?
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#32
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After years of Racer Boy wannabe helmets from Giro et all for around $20, I recently bought a Bell Metro which I believe is nearly the same helmet as the Citi. It was new, but last year or the year before model. I think I paid about $35 from nashbar.com, regularly around $80 for a 2008.
What a HUGE difference in comfort and fit. It is not a universal size. It is made in small, medium and large with an adjustable head band to fine tune the fit. It also has EASY to adjust straps. Ventilation is better than any helmet I've had. Even has a blinkie strap in the back for mounting a blinking red light. Overall finish is excellent. I would never go back to the cheapest helmets again. My head's worth at least $35; on some days, maybe even more!
Eric
What a HUGE difference in comfort and fit. It is not a universal size. It is made in small, medium and large with an adjustable head band to fine tune the fit. It also has EASY to adjust straps. Ventilation is better than any helmet I've had. Even has a blinkie strap in the back for mounting a blinking red light. Overall finish is excellent. I would never go back to the cheapest helmets again. My head's worth at least $35; on some days, maybe even more!
Eric
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All helmets meet a MINIMUM safety rating. I firmly believe that some significantly exceed the minimum requirements. I think a $80 or so helmet is a better helmet than a $20, but I'm not convinced that a $200 helmet is much better than an $80 helmet. I think at some point you just start buying name/style instead of safety and durability.
I can damn well guarantee you that my Bell Metro will do much better in a crash than my first helmet, also a Bell, but it was a $20 Kmart special. I was just looking at the old one today while cleaning the garage and it's pretty flimsy compared to the Metro. And they do still sell that model.
The Citi and Metro are both quite good helmets, and I have had both now and will continue to use them. However, they do not have great venting (this is good IMHO; venting = places where the helmet has holes in it = weaker) so some people will think they are quite hot. I don't really mind the lack of venting myself.
I can damn well guarantee you that my Bell Metro will do much better in a crash than my first helmet, also a Bell, but it was a $20 Kmart special. I was just looking at the old one today while cleaning the garage and it's pretty flimsy compared to the Metro. And they do still sell that model.
The Citi and Metro are both quite good helmets, and I have had both now and will continue to use them. However, they do not have great venting (this is good IMHO; venting = places where the helmet has holes in it = weaker) so some people will think they are quite hot. I don't really mind the lack of venting myself.
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That doesn't matter much to me, since the mirror isn't that good, the elastic rain cover I have is fine, and just the rain cover and a balaclava has been more insulation than I've needed down to -25*F so I don't need the winter kit either. Heck, for a couple of years I just duct taped up the vents in the winter and that was fine.
The metro is available in different size ranges. The Citi is only one size, and barely fits me opened up all the way. So for me the Metro Large is a better choice but for the majority of heads, if you weren't going to go for the accessories, the Citi is as good. I got the Metro mainly because at end of year they put them on good sales and I got mine for $35.
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#37
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A $200 helmet will most likely be weaker than an $80 helmet and less durable. But on the other hand, it will probably fit better (because it's a bit lighter), have more vents, and be more comfortable over a long ride.
Every helmet I've had, from the cheapo $20 to the $180 giro atmos, has left me with lines of sweat, sunblock, and salt dripping into my eyes in 95+ degree weather after 2-3 hours out on the road. It was bad enough that I could barely see after a while. I recently bought a specialized s-works helmet for $210 because it was the only helmet that had a padded liner that held the front of the helmet off my head and also vented the lip of the helmet immediately above the eyes. So in that case, money does buy a better helmet.
#38
I believe the Bell Metropolis (or Metro) has been discontinued. It is no longer on the Bell website, and they are all on clearance right now.
If you want more protection/durability, then you may want to look at the Pro-Tec SXP line of helmets designed for multi-sport use. They pass multiple certifications, and Pro-Tec claims they can sustain multiple impacts. They are also relatively cheap. I recommend you replace any helmet after a serious crash regardless of manufacturer claims.
If you want more protection/durability, then you may want to look at the Pro-Tec SXP line of helmets designed for multi-sport use. They pass multiple certifications, and Pro-Tec claims they can sustain multiple impacts. They are also relatively cheap. I recommend you replace any helmet after a serious crash regardless of manufacturer claims.
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Would this be where you actually get a better helmet by paying more?
#40
another vote for the nerdy Bell Citi.
I love it's price, simple design and dorky look- anyone who tries to convince themselves that they look good in a cycling helmet of any kind (and spends a lot of cash on it for that reason) is a true nerd.
it's about comfort and fit. If a cheap Bell fits buy it, if nothing feels right on your head but the $250 helmet buy it- just don't bother to look in a mirror at either of them to make the decision.
If vanity is your standard for cycling headgear buy a cool hat.
I love it's price, simple design and dorky look- anyone who tries to convince themselves that they look good in a cycling helmet of any kind (and spends a lot of cash on it for that reason) is a true nerd.
it's about comfort and fit. If a cheap Bell fits buy it, if nothing feels right on your head but the $250 helmet buy it- just don't bother to look in a mirror at either of them to make the decision.
If vanity is your standard for cycling headgear buy a cool hat.
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Speaking of Specialized, they tout their helmets as having a kevlar web molded into the foam to keep it in one piece (relatively speaking). I've heard that other manufacturers also use some form of internal reinforcement in their higher-end helmets.
Would this be where you actually get a better helmet by paying more?
Would this be where you actually get a better helmet by paying more?
So the cheaper helmets use enough foam to keep itself together and the more expensive ones use an internal webbing of reinforcement. My guess is that the helmets in the $20-60 range can absorb more impact with the next strongest being the $150+ range helmets with the internal reinforcements and the ones from $60-150 (esp those towards the higher end of the range) are slightly weaker because they use less foam but also don't have the internal/external reinforcing.
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On the lighter more aerodynamic road helmets, the vents are so massive that there's very little material in the webbing to keep it together. So when you crash, the helmet does indeed shatter into a bunch of pieces since the shell material is too insubstantial to keep it together. That's why they have to resort to an internal webbing of aramid, kevlar, or carbon fiber.
#47
I believe most manufacturers offer this. I know Bell and Rudy Project have similar programs, but I think they ask you to send the old helmet back with a detailed description of what happened.
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Liner choices
Exactly what I am looking for. Are there other makes and models with any kind of replaceable soft liner where I can buy an extra 2 or 3 liners and switch out each time (washing the others as I would the rest of my commuter clothes)? I am tired of stinging sweat in my eyes halfway through, and I'm seeking a solution like that but am unlikely to come up with $200 to do it (I'd buy brakes or wheels with that much $$$).
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