Bike only gets twice gas mileage of a Prius
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Here's my math: I weigh 183 pounds and ride a 2007 Bianchi Boardwalk. My ride home (as soon as I finish this post) will be 5.5 miles long and be assisted by a 13mph tailwind. When I get home, I will eat a Prius driver. Who comes out ahead on that one?
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Yer gonna need some Tums with that!
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Food for thought:
Apply the same calculation to walking, which is 1/3 as efficient as cycling, so 33 mpg. If your vehicle gets better than 33 mpg you will contribute less to national gas consumption if you drive to the library, grocery store, park, etc. rather than walk. If I see anyone walking who owns a scooter, Prius, motorcycle etc. I will give them a stern talking to about our addiction to oil.
Apply the same calculation to walking, which is 1/3 as efficient as cycling, so 33 mpg. If your vehicle gets better than 33 mpg you will contribute less to national gas consumption if you drive to the library, grocery store, park, etc. rather than walk. If I see anyone walking who owns a scooter, Prius, motorcycle etc. I will give them a stern talking to about our addiction to oil.
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Not because I think we're really gonna get to the bottom of this, but because I like crunching the numbers:
So...I bought a 9-y.o. car recently for roughly 5% of what an equivalent car cost new. Economically speaking, the car was 95% "used up." So, do I count 5% of construction costs "against" me? Does the former owner get a 5% "credit" with the sale of the car? What about if I bought a '64.5 Mustang, selling in excess of the purchase cost of a new one? What about new vs. used bicycles?
Also...we're just comparing driving vs. bicycling: what about catching the bus? Do I count the MPG of the bus divided by # of riders? Or just the additional fuel burned carting my 200# butt around? If my ridership encouraged the bus co. to add a route, is that a bad thing (extra Diesel burned) or a good thing (better bus service encouraging ridership amongst car owners)?
Also, I don't get the "I don't eat anymore when I bike (or exercise in general)" bit. Were this true, then fat people must work out solely because they like the sensation of being sweaty! As an extreme example, when I was trying to drop below 180# back when I toyed with racing in my 20's, I kept a detailed Calorie log. Between an average of 1 hr/day cycling and 5 hr/day of mail delivery, I was dropping weight (albeit slowly) on a 3600 kcal/day diet.
"Gas, grass, ass, or a corresponding increase in Caloric consumption to offset energy used during exercise...nobody rides for free!"
You need to also include the energy needed to mine the minerals used in making the Prius and its parts, the energy of refining the minerals and making products out of them,t he energy of assembly and shipping the parts, the energy of shipping the Prius (rail, ship and road), the energy of shipping and handling of the used batteries, recycling energy of the batteries, energy of disposal and recycling of the Prius at the end of its use, etc.
Those energies are there for a bicycle too but at a far lower level.
Those energies are there for a bicycle too but at a far lower level.
Also...we're just comparing driving vs. bicycling: what about catching the bus? Do I count the MPG of the bus divided by # of riders? Or just the additional fuel burned carting my 200# butt around? If my ridership encouraged the bus co. to add a route, is that a bad thing (extra Diesel burned) or a good thing (better bus service encouraging ridership amongst car owners)?
Also, I don't get the "I don't eat anymore when I bike (or exercise in general)" bit. Were this true, then fat people must work out solely because they like the sensation of being sweaty! As an extreme example, when I was trying to drop below 180# back when I toyed with racing in my 20's, I kept a detailed Calorie log. Between an average of 1 hr/day cycling and 5 hr/day of mail delivery, I was dropping weight (albeit slowly) on a 3600 kcal/day diet.
"Gas, grass, ass, or a corresponding increase in Caloric consumption to offset energy used during exercise...nobody rides for free!"
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I find this argument from a Prius driver to be somewhat amusing, since there was that idiot that produced an analysis that said it was better to buy a Hummer than a Prius. Just say no to bad analysis.
I am also a Prius driver, BTW. My carbon footprint would be much smaller if I could get my wife to drive the Prius instead of the gas hog minivan while I was commuting by bike.
I am also a Prius driver, BTW. My carbon footprint would be much smaller if I could get my wife to drive the Prius instead of the gas hog minivan while I was commuting by bike.
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Haha, Priuschat, the site where a year or two ago they were having a circlewank over one of their members 'racing' a Ferrari of some sort (an Enzo, if I recall correctly) from a stop light and winning.
For like, 60 ft.
It was hillarious and really helped serve to show how delusional some of those fartsniffers really are.
For like, 60 ft.
It was hillarious and really helped serve to show how delusional some of those fartsniffers really are.
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I try to not walk on carbon when possible. Just trying to do my part by keeping my "footprint" small. How small is said footprint if I don't walk in the carbon?? Do I get a carbon credit?
Considering that our bodies are mostly carbon maybe we should increase the death tax in order to compensate for the extra carbon produced there, maybe a birth tax should be next. I don't buy into global warming seeing as we are now in a cooling trend. Anyone see that news report a while ago when new york got a record snow fall?
I think if we want to get people to save energy then conservation is key and hybrids such as the prius help a ton here, but don't stamp it with a label like going "green"
Last, maybe these environmentalists should attack the transport industry for wasting all that fuel just getting the oil here and the government next for emposing drilling restrictions due to facts that are decades out of date.
that's my $0.02
Considering that our bodies are mostly carbon maybe we should increase the death tax in order to compensate for the extra carbon produced there, maybe a birth tax should be next. I don't buy into global warming seeing as we are now in a cooling trend. Anyone see that news report a while ago when new york got a record snow fall?
I think if we want to get people to save energy then conservation is key and hybrids such as the prius help a ton here, but don't stamp it with a label like going "green"
Last, maybe these environmentalists should attack the transport industry for wasting all that fuel just getting the oil here and the government next for emposing drilling restrictions due to facts that are decades out of date.
that's my $0.02