Breezer Uptown Alternative? (a bit long)
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Breezer Uptown Alternative? (a bit long)
So the LBS that sells Breezer got the small men's Uptown 8 he'd received built up, so I went in for a test ride. While the bike rode well, and I believe it fit pretty well, I'm not very happy with it over all because it's the classic model with a suspension fork rather than the new model (with full chaincase, LED lighting, Schwalbe tires, etc) with a regular fork.
Oddly, I was in the store less than a week ago and he showed me the unopened box, saying he'd build it up right away so I could give it a test ride. At that time I asked if it was the new model with the fully enclosed chaincase, and he said he had no idea (?!). At that time I'd made it clear I was looking for the newer model. I was a bit surprised he had no idea, and I said it was a bit confusing on Breezer's site that they have two models, one being marked "new" but the older one still there and the page being dated a year ago and all. He agreed.
So, I explained that I didn't want the suspension fork. He offered to switch it out at no charge to me, and to even take "a little off" the price to cover the difference. Evidently the Uptown w/suspension fork lists for 1199, with rigid fork lists for $950, and he'd do $999. Doesn't quite seem right to me, since I'm paying a premium to get the regular fork, but it's his shop and he can price as he chooses. I said I'd let him know. He didn't offer to order the specific bike I wanted, and I didn't think to ask until long after I'd left.
There were other problems: The rack was clearly bent so it was off-center (1+") on the bike. Not terribly tragic, but if it arrived bent, and can be bent back straight, how much of a load will it take for it to be bent again? The wiring for the lighting was hanging out here and there, not very tidy. I could fix that with a bunch of wire ties, but I'd prefer not to on a $1k bike.
I enjoyed riding the bike. I'm shorter, and the 26" wheels feel more nimble to me, and it felt good to ride it. I just feel uncomfortable dealing with a company that seems, well, a bit unpredictable.
The thing is, there's not a lot of alternatives. Even just finding a 26" wheel bike with the premium (or any) nexus hub is a challenge, let alone one with the dynamo hub & other extras. I can figure out my own rack and fenders out, but I want the generator hub and lighting because adding the hub later seems (from asking a few LBS) to be an expensive proposition.
Any ideas? Can I put an eccentric BB on an LHT frame?
I looked at the Specialized GlobeCity, which has about the same spec as the Breezer except it has 700C wheels instead of 26", and I'd prefer the smaller wheels. It is $910 list, at a different LBS and they offered to come down a little even though it was a special order. However, the guy suggested that I get a Globe Elite ($800) and add my own accessories because he felt that the supplied accessories tended to be lower quality. He didn't press the issue though. The thing that makes me queasy about the GC is that the Specialized catalog doesn't make any mention of a generator hub, only that it has lights. I really, really don't want to have the thing show up with a bottle generator. It also has the non-premium hub.
I figure I'll call Breezer and see if it's possible to get the new version specifically and get the MSRP, and maybe see who else I could order it through.
Oddly, I was in the store less than a week ago and he showed me the unopened box, saying he'd build it up right away so I could give it a test ride. At that time I asked if it was the new model with the fully enclosed chaincase, and he said he had no idea (?!). At that time I'd made it clear I was looking for the newer model. I was a bit surprised he had no idea, and I said it was a bit confusing on Breezer's site that they have two models, one being marked "new" but the older one still there and the page being dated a year ago and all. He agreed.
So, I explained that I didn't want the suspension fork. He offered to switch it out at no charge to me, and to even take "a little off" the price to cover the difference. Evidently the Uptown w/suspension fork lists for 1199, with rigid fork lists for $950, and he'd do $999. Doesn't quite seem right to me, since I'm paying a premium to get the regular fork, but it's his shop and he can price as he chooses. I said I'd let him know. He didn't offer to order the specific bike I wanted, and I didn't think to ask until long after I'd left.
There were other problems: The rack was clearly bent so it was off-center (1+") on the bike. Not terribly tragic, but if it arrived bent, and can be bent back straight, how much of a load will it take for it to be bent again? The wiring for the lighting was hanging out here and there, not very tidy. I could fix that with a bunch of wire ties, but I'd prefer not to on a $1k bike.
I enjoyed riding the bike. I'm shorter, and the 26" wheels feel more nimble to me, and it felt good to ride it. I just feel uncomfortable dealing with a company that seems, well, a bit unpredictable.
The thing is, there's not a lot of alternatives. Even just finding a 26" wheel bike with the premium (or any) nexus hub is a challenge, let alone one with the dynamo hub & other extras. I can figure out my own rack and fenders out, but I want the generator hub and lighting because adding the hub later seems (from asking a few LBS) to be an expensive proposition.
Any ideas? Can I put an eccentric BB on an LHT frame?
I looked at the Specialized GlobeCity, which has about the same spec as the Breezer except it has 700C wheels instead of 26", and I'd prefer the smaller wheels. It is $910 list, at a different LBS and they offered to come down a little even though it was a special order. However, the guy suggested that I get a Globe Elite ($800) and add my own accessories because he felt that the supplied accessories tended to be lower quality. He didn't press the issue though. The thing that makes me queasy about the GC is that the Specialized catalog doesn't make any mention of a generator hub, only that it has lights. I really, really don't want to have the thing show up with a bottle generator. It also has the non-premium hub.
I figure I'll call Breezer and see if it's possible to get the new version specifically and get the MSRP, and maybe see who else I could order it through.
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My wife got a new model uptown recently, month or 2 ago, and it took probably a month to get it, they were backordered through the LBS's supplier, needed to wait for the next shipment from Taiwan. But it came eventually, and it was worth the wait for her.
The LBS was going to look into transplanting the chaincase from a new uptown in the wrong size to a last year's model in her size, but I don't know what ever came of that. Swapping the LED for halo not that big a deal either, at least, the LBS stocks the LED that Breezer uses. It would have taken $$. Easier after the fact to have just waited for the right one to turn up.
The LBS was going to look into transplanting the chaincase from a new uptown in the wrong size to a last year's model in her size, but I don't know what ever came of that. Swapping the LED for halo not that big a deal either, at least, the LBS stocks the LED that Breezer uses. It would have taken $$. Easier after the fact to have just waited for the right one to turn up.
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BB's aren't eccentric... you have to have an eccentric bb shell ala https://steelwoolbicycles.ca/ that takes a standard bb.
Or you can have a wheel build up with an ENO eccentric hub. Check harriscyclery.com
Or you can have a wheel build up with an ENO eccentric hub. Check harriscyclery.com
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https://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=34067
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#5
If that Breezer Uptown 8 had a suspension fork, it was a 2005 or very early 2006 model. They discontinued suspension forks for most of the 2006 bikes.
I believe the MSRP for the 2006 model year was $975 or so. (I have one.) As I recall from my own buying research, they were going anywhere from $850-975 depending on who was selling them.
I believe the MSRP for the 2006 model year was $975 or so. (I have one.) As I recall from my own buying research, they were going anywhere from $850-975 depending on who was selling them.
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When I was looking into the Uptown for my wife the new model had just come out. The dealer I called would have had to order either. The price was the same for both. I don't remember exactly, but it was under 1K.
I'm pretty certain that from a MSRP standpoint, the price of the bike didn't change with the new model.
I'm pretty certain that from a MSRP standpoint, the price of the bike didn't change with the new model.
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It did by about a hundred dollars. If you got the full chaincase model for less than $1000, you got a good deal.
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