What percentage of cyclists in your area wear spandex?
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interesting comments... when people ask me about bikes, and prices, I tell them that besides buying a bike, there are three things that they should also buy. a helmet, gloves and a pair of bike-specific shorts. Everything else is really an accessory.
The helmet for obvious reasons (I don't want to get into the helmer vs no helmet war)
The gloves are for if you 'leave the bike'... there is nothing worse than bloody palms--and the healing process takes a long time.
The shorts are for all the reasons given above. They really make the biking experience more pleasurable--
There are specific clothes for specific sports. There is a reson for them. You can get a cheap pair of shorts for under $20 that will take care of all the issues mentioned above.
At any rate--
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The helmet for obvious reasons (I don't want to get into the helmer vs no helmet war)
The gloves are for if you 'leave the bike'... there is nothing worse than bloody palms--and the healing process takes a long time.
The shorts are for all the reasons given above. They really make the biking experience more pleasurable--
There are specific clothes for specific sports. There is a reson for them. You can get a cheap pair of shorts for under $20 that will take care of all the issues mentioned above.
At any rate--
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lol I saw a guy fully kitted out out this weekend, new bike, full spandex, helmet, shoes . . . . . .on the sidewalk. lol
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The point is you can wear street clothes and cycle just fine, and even commute.
the ss/fg revolution is a testament to that.
Any cyclist that tells you that you MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out their mouth. Their are plenty of alternatives to spending hundreds of dollars on clothes you only use for one activity.
You can try to change the argument and say it's about self image, or vanity or whatever, but the truth is you're trying to make yourself stand out for a marginal gain in "comfort". You want people to know how dedicated you are so buy things you don't really need. If you're a hardcore roadie and you bike 80 frigging miles......that makes sense. But there's no need for it when you commute 15 miles to work. You're just kidding yourself.
the ss/fg revolution is a testament to that.
Any cyclist that tells you that you MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out their mouth. Their are plenty of alternatives to spending hundreds of dollars on clothes you only use for one activity.
You can try to change the argument and say it's about self image, or vanity or whatever, but the truth is you're trying to make yourself stand out for a marginal gain in "comfort". You want people to know how dedicated you are so buy things you don't really need. If you're a hardcore roadie and you bike 80 frigging miles......that makes sense. But there's no need for it when you commute 15 miles to work. You're just kidding yourself.
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The closest thing in this thread is Charles Vail's post:
"Race cycling culture has done a lot to dissuade people from participating in an activity that is healthy, practical and economical"
Now maybe he didn't mean lycra but I'm assuming that spandex is part of the "racing culture" he's talking about.
"Race cycling culture has done a lot to dissuade people from participating in an activity that is healthy, practical and economical"
Now maybe he didn't mean lycra but I'm assuming that spandex is part of the "racing culture" he's talking about.
Given that these mentions don't ever seem to include any first-person statements about the effect of lycra on one's own cycling, but are composed of speculation in the form of assertion about how the presence of a pair of lycra shorts on someone else's fundament affects the likelihood of a third party to take up cycling, I'm more skeptical every day.
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Anyone claiming that any cyclist is telling anyone that they MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out of their mouth and is probably waist-deep. Got yer hip-waders, capo?
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Read the thread much?
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from my observations, about 10-15% wear "Special" bike shorts and jerseys. for my commute, 5.5 miles, I think it is overkill. I don't wear a helmet either. I think of it this way: you don't need to "suit up" just to toss a football around.
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The point is you can wear street clothes and cycle just fine, and even commute.
the ss/fg revolution is a testament to that.
Any cyclist that tells you that you MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out their mouth. Their are plenty of alternatives to spending hundreds of dollars on clothes you only use for one activity.
You can try to change the argument and say it's about self image, or vanity or whatever, but the truth is you're trying to make yourself stand out for a marginal gain in "comfort". You want people to know how dedicated you are so buy things you don't really need. If you're a hardcore roadie and you bike 80 frigging miles......that makes sense. But there's no need for it when you commute 15 miles to work. You're just kidding yourself.
the ss/fg revolution is a testament to that.
Any cyclist that tells you that you MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out their mouth. Their are plenty of alternatives to spending hundreds of dollars on clothes you only use for one activity.
You can try to change the argument and say it's about self image, or vanity or whatever, but the truth is you're trying to make yourself stand out for a marginal gain in "comfort". You want people to know how dedicated you are so buy things you don't really need. If you're a hardcore roadie and you bike 80 frigging miles......that makes sense. But there's no need for it when you commute 15 miles to work. You're just kidding yourself.
Ever watch a marathon and wonder why some guys finish the race with bleeding nipples and others don't? I used to think it was just the guys who were carrying a little extra that had the problems and I think it affects them the most, but they're not the only ones.
I'm not at all fat by most standards and ran for years without trouble. Then one season after hitting the weights a bit harder during the winter, all of sudden my nips were getting sore, not to the point of bleeding, but yikes it hurt. The angle must have changed some or maybe my shirts were just tighter. I don't know.
You may not have a problem with chafing after riding 15 miles. That doesn't mean somebody else won't. Sometimes I can ride a long ways in regular clothes without issue and sometimes I'll start getting sore after a few miles. I can't always predict it and once I'm on the bike it's too late. People's bodies are different. Peoples cadences are different. What works for you won't always work for everyone else.
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06-26-08, 10:10 AM
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The point is you can wear street clothes and cycle just fine, and even commute.
the ss/fg revolution is a testament to that.
Any cyclist that tells you that you MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out their mouth. Their are plenty of alternatives to spending hundreds of dollars on clothes you only use for one activity.
You can try to change the argument and say it's about self image, or vanity or whatever, but the truth is you're trying to make yourself stand out for a marginal gain in "comfort". You want people to know how dedicated you are so buy things you don't really need. If you're a hardcore roadie and you bike 80 frigging miles......that makes sense. But there's no need for it when you commute 15 miles to work. You're just kidding yourself.
the ss/fg revolution is a testament to that.
Any cyclist that tells you that you MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out their mouth. Their are plenty of alternatives to spending hundreds of dollars on clothes you only use for one activity.
You can try to change the argument and say it's about self image, or vanity or whatever, but the truth is you're trying to make yourself stand out for a marginal gain in "comfort". You want people to know how dedicated you are so buy things you don't really need. If you're a hardcore roadie and you bike 80 frigging miles......that makes sense. But there's no need for it when you commute 15 miles to work. You're just kidding yourself.
I find it amazing that you use the "you must want other people to think" argument, when it is clearly your concern what others think, not mine.
I'm not trying to look like Lance, or a superhero, or anything. I simply don't care what it looks like, my simple motto has always been "if you don't like it, look away" that was my motto when I weight trained in a singlet, for comfort, and it's my motto now.
I don't consider myself a "hardcore roadie" but I have done 2 centuries, and several 40-50 plus rides, and I have the same outfit for those as I do for the 17 mile round trip to work and back. I want to be comfortable, and have found an economical (average cost of complete outfit, 20 dollars) solution. The general populations aversion to spandex makes me extremely happy, as it drives the cost of my chosen attire down on the open market.
At any rate, I'll say this one last time, I don't care what anyone thinks, and neither should you. Unless you are indecent in a public place - at which point it becomes a matter of law - no one should care what you wear.
As a side note, the Olympics are coming up, how can they allow people to be dressed that way for their chosen sport! I mean, it's idiotic!
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The point is you can wear street clothes and cycle just fine, and even commute.
the ss/fg revolution is a testament to that.
Any cyclist that tells you that you MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out their mouth. Their are plenty of alternatives to spending hundreds of dollars on clothes you only use for one activity.
You can try to change the argument and say it's about self image, or vanity or whatever, but the truth is you're trying to make yourself stand out for a marginal gain in "comfort". You want people to know how dedicated you are so buy things you don't really need. If you're a hardcore roadie and you bike 80 frigging miles......that makes sense. But there's no need for it when you commute 15 miles to work. You're just kidding yourself.
the ss/fg revolution is a testament to that.
Any cyclist that tells you that you MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out their mouth. Their are plenty of alternatives to spending hundreds of dollars on clothes you only use for one activity.
You can try to change the argument and say it's about self image, or vanity or whatever, but the truth is you're trying to make yourself stand out for a marginal gain in "comfort". You want people to know how dedicated you are so buy things you don't really need. If you're a hardcore roadie and you bike 80 frigging miles......that makes sense. But there's no need for it when you commute 15 miles to work. You're just kidding yourself.
Yes we get it: YOU'RE OPPOSED TO SPANDEX/LYCRA.
How many times do you have to reiterate this and insult people?
Everybody: Capolover hates superhero outfits and thinks we all look foolish. Did everyone get that?
Sheesh!
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Most of the "hard-core" commuters I see will be wearing some sort of bike specific clothes. Not necessarily skin-tight lycra, but something made for biking or at least outdoors/exercise. Most of the "gas is expensive" crowd that comes out on nice summer days is not. These days the latter group is in the clear majority.
Personally I have to wear semi-formal clothes at work and there's no way I could cycle in those without being sweaty and disgusting all day. Since I have to change clothes anyway, I wear bike specific clothing on my commute (well the shirts are just any thing I can pick up cheap, generic exercise shirts or running shirts). It's the right tool for the job, the high tech materials or wool are much more comfortable for any exercise than cotton. In the winter it's not even optional, sweating in street clothes in freezing temperatures is just dangerous. If I'm just tooling around the neighborhood I'll just wear any old thing, provided it's not too tight.
I also have to disagree with whoever said you shouldn't wear it if you are above 180, I think my 6'2", 190lbs frame looks just fine in spandex, thank you very much I'd have to loose muscle to get down to 180. At least you can see my rippling quads through the spandex 
Personally I have to wear semi-formal clothes at work and there's no way I could cycle in those without being sweaty and disgusting all day. Since I have to change clothes anyway, I wear bike specific clothing on my commute (well the shirts are just any thing I can pick up cheap, generic exercise shirts or running shirts). It's the right tool for the job, the high tech materials or wool are much more comfortable for any exercise than cotton. In the winter it's not even optional, sweating in street clothes in freezing temperatures is just dangerous. If I'm just tooling around the neighborhood I'll just wear any old thing, provided it's not too tight.
I also have to disagree with whoever said you shouldn't wear it if you are above 180, I think my 6'2", 190lbs frame looks just fine in spandex, thank you very much
I'd have to loose muscle to get down to 180. At least you can see my rippling quads through the spandex
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My building has about 3500 people. Out of that, about 200-300 people bicycle commute. About 80-85% of commuters here wear some form of spandex - in various forms/states. Some are in full kit, some wear the shorts with tshirts. One thing to keep in mind, I work in a military building so the majority of these guys wearing wearing spandex are macho military guys and they have no issues with it. Consequently, these same guys normally wear compression shorts to the gym, without being embarrassed.
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How small minded! I'm 5"7 and 193lbs. You're telling me I shouldn't be comfortable in the saddle.
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interesting comments... when people ask me about bikes, and prices, I tell them that besides buying a bike, there are three things that they should also buy. a helmet, gloves and a pair of bike-specific shorts. Everything else is really an accessory.
Read the thread much?
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I think its more to do with you looking like a total gooner, not that people are ashamed.
There are lots of other types of clothing these days that don't soak up sweat and aren't skin tight super hero gear.
For instance:
https://www.chromebags.com/products/apparel/show/56/
There are lots of other types of clothing these days that don't soak up sweat and aren't skin tight super hero gear.
For instance:
https://www.chromebags.com/products/apparel/show/56/
The point is you can wear street clothes and cycle just fine, and even commute.
the ss/fg revolution is a testament to that.
Any cyclist that tells you that you MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out their mouth. Their are plenty of alternatives to spending hundreds of dollars on clothes you only use for one activity.
You can try to change the argument and say it's about self image, or vanity or whatever, but the truth is you're trying to make yourself stand out for a marginal gain in "comfort". You want people to know how dedicated you are so buy things you don't really need. If you're a hardcore roadie and you bike 80 frigging miles......that makes sense. But there's no need for it when you commute 15 miles to work. You're just kidding yourself.
the ss/fg revolution is a testament to that.
Any cyclist that tells you that you MUST wear a superhero outfit to be a proper cyclist is so full of **** it's leaking out their mouth. Their are plenty of alternatives to spending hundreds of dollars on clothes you only use for one activity.
You can try to change the argument and say it's about self image, or vanity or whatever, but the truth is you're trying to make yourself stand out for a marginal gain in "comfort". You want people to know how dedicated you are so buy things you don't really need. If you're a hardcore roadie and you bike 80 frigging miles......that makes sense. But there's no need for it when you commute 15 miles to work. You're just kidding yourself.
I must not be following you or something. People that buy spandex have been suckered, but people that buy Shins aren't?
Many (most?) of us can't wear knickers at work anyway... so any cycling-specific clothing we buy is going to be taken off when we get there. If you're changing anyway, you might as well wear whatever's the most comfortable to you.
Whatever... you just seem to be full of wanna-be-hipster angst. Go back through this forum and look for a thread, or even a single post and look for someone saying you MUST wear lycra to commute. You won't find it - anywhere. What you will find is a bunch of non-lycra wearers fighting for their right not to wear it.
Time after time it's the same thing. We really don't give a shat what you wear. Noone's trying to force you in some bib tights. What's with all the misdirected defensiveness?
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To the original question... I have no idea. My mind doesn't register people on the sidewalks as cyclists - and that's where 99% of the people I encounter are. I do recall seeing a few yellow shirts and some panniers on the sidewalk. It's not that I'm consciously looking down on someone, I just give them as much attention as I would a walker on the sidewalk - none.
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Interesting thread. I think I'll turn it around to talk about myself.
Normally on Wednesdays I leave the house at 6:30 to meet my buddy for a pre-work training ride: usually 25 miles at tempo (we've been averaging 21.7 mph lately). I wear the full kit. This week we've been having terrible air quality in the Sacramento Valley (you may have seen it on the news) so we canceled our ride and instead I jumped on the stationary trainer in my garage. I wore the full kit on the trainer too.
Then I got into the shower and dressed in my normal business clothes (dress pants, button-down shirt and tie), and rode a leisurely 4 miles to the office. I wore dork bands around my pants cuffs and my super-duper aerodynamic helmet and clipless pedal shoes. So all in all, I probably looked pretty stupid.
I always keep a pair of bibs and a jersey hidden in a file cabinet here at the office in case I get a chance to take a long detour home and if the air quality improves, I may do that today.
What's the point of this? Wear what's most appropriate for your ride.
Normally on Wednesdays I leave the house at 6:30 to meet my buddy for a pre-work training ride: usually 25 miles at tempo (we've been averaging 21.7 mph lately). I wear the full kit. This week we've been having terrible air quality in the Sacramento Valley (you may have seen it on the news) so we canceled our ride and instead I jumped on the stationary trainer in my garage. I wore the full kit on the trainer too.
Then I got into the shower and dressed in my normal business clothes (dress pants, button-down shirt and tie), and rode a leisurely 4 miles to the office. I wore dork bands around my pants cuffs and my super-duper aerodynamic helmet and clipless pedal shoes. So all in all, I probably looked pretty stupid.
I always keep a pair of bibs and a jersey hidden in a file cabinet here at the office in case I get a chance to take a long detour home and if the air quality improves, I may do that today.
What's the point of this? Wear what's most appropriate for your ride.
06-26-08, 11:06 AM
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Black people should never wear X, because we don't like the way it looks!
Asians should always wear X, because we don't like they way they look!
Shall I go on? Oh, but that's right, fat people are fat cause they all are slobs, even the ones who eat fairly sensibly and cycle to work every day, as well as riding on weekends. So until they aspire to what is pleasing to you, they should all consider you when dressing in the mornings? Right?
Blow me. I'm 240, I wore spandex at 280, and I'll wear it when I hit 190 (provided I do). I wear it for comfort, and I wear it because I like it. It's far easier for you to look away (your eyes and head do move, you know) if you are displeased, than it is for me to wear something that every narrow minded nimrod I'm likely to see on the street would find acceptable.
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Close...at least 75% of the cyclists on the road here, while the number not wearing it is about 75% on the MUPs & sidewalks.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey