Who here DOESN'T plan for their commute?
#26
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I don't really get what you're saying. Sounds like you change clothes, thus you and I do about the same amount of work to get ready, though I also pack a breakfast and lunch. All of the other stuff (toiletries and gear) are always loaded in my pannier, thus no "planning" here.
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I don't really get what you're saying. Sounds like you change clothes, thus you and I do about the same amount of work to get ready, though I also pack a breakfast and lunch. All of the other stuff (toiletries and gear) are always loaded in my pannier, thus no "planning" here.
Once in a while I do the whole 40 mile RT on the bike. That involves a little more planning, but not all that much. Mostly it means setting my alarm earlier.
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#28
My commute is 11 miles roundtrip. Once class is in session, I'll be leaving each morning at approximately 6:30, giving myself time to cool off and finish preparing my case outlines, not to mention allowing time for any unforeseen obstacles. I'll keep raingear packed at all times and have a full change of clothes in my locker at school, just in case.
Of course, it's not all about just getting from point A to point B. I also want to take advantage of the opportunity to boost my fitness (and I've got about two inches I'd like to drop off my waist). So, while the morning commute will be a relatively easy ride to minimize sweat, the ride home will be a series of sprints and spins. Gotta add in some intensity intervals if you want to make the most out of a commute.
Of course, it's not all about just getting from point A to point B. I also want to take advantage of the opportunity to boost my fitness (and I've got about two inches I'd like to drop off my waist). So, while the morning commute will be a relatively easy ride to minimize sweat, the ride home will be a series of sprints and spins. Gotta add in some intensity intervals if you want to make the most out of a commute.
#29
And they are bullet proof, never need to sleep and when it rains they sprout an umbrella from their heads.
I've been there. It is flat as a board. And your country is smaller than the county that I live in (in case you don't know what a county is, it is a tiny division of a state, we have 120 in my state).
And my 7 year old daughter commutes faster than the riders I've seen there.
Yes my commute is short .39 miles to be exact.
I've been there. It is flat as a board. And your country is smaller than the county that I live in (in case you don't know what a county is, it is a tiny division of a state, we have 120 in my state).
And my 7 year old daughter commutes faster than the riders I've seen there.
Yes my commute is short .39 miles to be exact.
Let me see, you have been to the city center of Amsterdam once, which means you know f*ck all about commuting in this country.
The size of the country is completely irrelevant, unless your commute is 250+ miles.
Or are you suggesting that Netherlands is less than .39 miles across?
Country may be flat (the western part at least) but its full of canals and rivers that have bridges high enough to let ocean going ships pass underneath. I'm pretty sure that few urban areas in US have bigger elevation changes.
I, for example, cross this one daily:


Besides, Limburg province (southeast) looks like this:

Near Nijmegen:

Near Arnhem:

Vaals, south Limburg:

Point stands: when you are used to cycling, doing reasonably good speed on a bicycle demands just as little from your body as walking. (of course, a nice walkabout for an hour or so is besides the capabilities of many americans..)
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No she doesn't.
Let me see, you have been to the city center of Amsterdam once, which means you know f*ck all about commuting in this country.
The size of the country is completely irrelevant, unless your commute is 250+ miles.
Or are you suggesting that Netherlands is less than .39 miles across?
Country may be flat (the western part at least) but its full of canals and rivers that have bridges high enough to let ocean going ships pass underneath. I'm pretty sure that few urban areas in US have bigger elevation changes.
I, for example, cross this one daily:


Besides, Limburg province (southeast) looks like this:

Near Nijmegen:

Near Arnhem:

Vaals, south Limburg:

Point stands: when you are used to cycling, doing reasonably good speed on a bicycle demands just as little from your body as walking. (of course, a nice walkabout for an hour or so is besides the capabilities of many americans..)
Let me see, you have been to the city center of Amsterdam once, which means you know f*ck all about commuting in this country.
The size of the country is completely irrelevant, unless your commute is 250+ miles.
Or are you suggesting that Netherlands is less than .39 miles across?
Country may be flat (the western part at least) but its full of canals and rivers that have bridges high enough to let ocean going ships pass underneath. I'm pretty sure that few urban areas in US have bigger elevation changes.
I, for example, cross this one daily:


Besides, Limburg province (southeast) looks like this:

Near Nijmegen:

Near Arnhem:

Vaals, south Limburg:

Point stands: when you are used to cycling, doing reasonably good speed on a bicycle demands just as little from your body as walking. (of course, a nice walkabout for an hour or so is besides the capabilities of many americans..)
What a beautiful place to be. Makes my too-brief commute look boring in comparison.
Anyway, as far as planning is concerned, most of the stuff I carry is already in the backpack. Maybe add some lunch or a snack, fill the water bottle, and go out. If it's really hot, or if I'm going to be trying to get some actual exercise out of the deal, I'll wear my wicking clothes and carry the work clothes. Really, my commute is generally so brief, that I don't really spend time planning. It's developed into a nice little routine.
#31
Of course you guys are all great cyclists, that's why you've won so many Tour De France lately. Oh, well nevermind about that one. You are overestimating the capabilities of your countrymen, and underestmating the ease of commutes over there. Of course you don't sweat, when I was there in July it only got into the middle 60sF. When I was there, most of the bikers I saw were barely making beyond walking speed. So let's see, country that is tiny, flat as a board, doesn't get hot, commuters riding as slowly as possible. I guess they don't sweat much.
You don't think some of these people who have commuted for years and years long distances are " used to cycle"? Get over yourself and your sense of superiority.
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My commute is about 12 mi round trip. I go from home 3 mi > train > 3 mi work. The mornings have been cool enough that I dont have to worry about sweating much, and the train's AC is nice on the ride home. Usually I just have my lunch, work clothes, and rain jacket in my pack. If I ever get a flat I'm close enough to work or home on either end that I can walk it and figure it out from there.
As an aside, while I understand the stereotype of americans that need to buy all the latest gear and senseless over-priced junk, trying to deny the value of clothes/gear made specifically for an activity is just stupid. Speaking as someone that has spent many hours hiking and snowboarding there's nothing better than haveing layers that both keep you warm and wisk sweat away or dry off fast when you get rained on. I'm not saying you need some team jersey to ride 3 mi to work, but you best believe when I start riding 10 mi each way next month for school that I'm gonna be rocking some padded shorts.
As an aside, while I understand the stereotype of americans that need to buy all the latest gear and senseless over-priced junk, trying to deny the value of clothes/gear made specifically for an activity is just stupid. Speaking as someone that has spent many hours hiking and snowboarding there's nothing better than haveing layers that both keep you warm and wisk sweat away or dry off fast when you get rained on. I'm not saying you need some team jersey to ride 3 mi to work, but you best believe when I start riding 10 mi each way next month for school that I'm gonna be rocking some padded shorts.
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I commute 22 miles round trip, but don't spend a lot of time "planning." I use a large seatbag (Carradice Barley) and keep all of my tools, inflator, spare tube, etc. in the side pockets all of the time. The only planning I do is to pack whatever clothes or food I bring with me to work each day. I don't do that until just before I leave in the morning. The secret to commuting is to make every routine so you don't forget something. The only time I ever forget something is when my routine gets broken -- such as when my wife gets up early on occasion and starts asking me all sorts of questions just before I leave for work. That causes all sorts of problems ... in more ways than one.
#35
My commute is about 6 or 7 miles each way. Sometimes I'll make it a 10 or 15 mile trip on the way home.
I wouldn't call what I do "planning". I select my clothes for work in the morning (just as I would if I were driving) and pack them in my messenger bag. I put on whatever clothes I'm going to ride in. In the winter that involves a few layers but, again, it's nothing really "planned" as I do it the morning of.
I pack a lunch too, but again I would do that regardless. The other thing I do is try to remember a water bottle.
There's various bike maintenance issues that I deal with but it's not any different than making sure I change the oil now and then in a car. I also keep a spare tube + patches in a seat bag. In my car I keep an ice scraper and jumper cables. I don't consider that stuff "commute planning".
I wouldn't call what I do "planning". I select my clothes for work in the morning (just as I would if I were driving) and pack them in my messenger bag. I put on whatever clothes I'm going to ride in. In the winter that involves a few layers but, again, it's nothing really "planned" as I do it the morning of.
I pack a lunch too, but again I would do that regardless. The other thing I do is try to remember a water bottle.
There's various bike maintenance issues that I deal with but it's not any different than making sure I change the oil now and then in a car. I also keep a spare tube + patches in a seat bag. In my car I keep an ice scraper and jumper cables. I don't consider that stuff "commute planning".
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I did one-time planning for my commute when I set up my seat bag with the necessities: Tubes, levers, patches, etc.
Now it takes me longer to plan what I'm packing for lunch than it takes to plan my commute. I get up, walk the dog (which allows me to check the weather and decide on what to wear for the ride), get dressed to ride, and I roll.
Now it takes me longer to plan what I'm packing for lunch than it takes to plan my commute. I get up, walk the dog (which allows me to check the weather and decide on what to wear for the ride), get dressed to ride, and I roll.
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Not to mention a misplaced sense of patriotism (someone dared to compare the people of a SMALL country with AMERICANS! Oh the noez, send in Nimitz Battle Group!! )
And what was that irrational crap about "they are bullet proof, never need to sleep and when it rains they sprout an umbrella from their heads"?? What are you, a 12 year old girl in the middle of a menstruation cycle?
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...unfortunately, work/school/gym/rugby pitch/parents' are all a little far from my home, so I have a little planning, but the usual stuff as I leave for all day: sport stuff, lunch, work clothes, books n papers, shoes... That's most of my planning but it can get pretty tricky sometimes!
I don't usually have a toolkit: sometimes only my multitool. Never too far from home, always in the city, so if I'm really in BIG trouble with my bike, I'll lock it somewhere, take the bus home and leave earlier in the morning to fix it/bring it to shop. Do I have to say thievery is not a big problem up here in Qc city (except at the University, but even there.... )???
I don't usually have a toolkit: sometimes only my multitool. Never too far from home, always in the city, so if I'm really in BIG trouble with my bike, I'll lock it somewhere, take the bus home and leave earlier in the morning to fix it/bring it to shop. Do I have to say thievery is not a big problem up here in Qc city (except at the University, but even there.... )???
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7 mile. Only ride one way. the way TO work is bus.
plan? yes.
I need to catch my bus.
Make sure I got lunch and cash for bus.
make sure I got my riding gear in a backpack. (Summer: shorts and Tshirt. Winter: clear sunglasses and later goggles. Head skullcap and later full cover baklava. gloves and later 2x gloves. long jersey and later thermal undershirt. rain pants. shell. fleece etc depending on weather. I love non-winter riding, there is so little to take.)
I time my eating during the day for the ride home.
my gike has a bag with spare tube, CO2 pump, and tools. the bare minimum.
phone to call the wife in case I really get stuck.
I think thats all.
plan? yes.
I need to catch my bus.
Make sure I got lunch and cash for bus.
make sure I got my riding gear in a backpack. (Summer: shorts and Tshirt. Winter: clear sunglasses and later goggles. Head skullcap and later full cover baklava. gloves and later 2x gloves. long jersey and later thermal undershirt. rain pants. shell. fleece etc depending on weather. I love non-winter riding, there is so little to take.)
I time my eating during the day for the ride home.
my gike has a bag with spare tube, CO2 pump, and tools. the bare minimum.
phone to call the wife in case I really get stuck.
I think thats all.
#42
Fortunately, few here have overestimated the levels of your insecurity. What's the deal with insulting an entire group of people you don't even know? What are you trying to prove here? That all cyclists from Kentucky need to look down on Europeans? I'm from KY, and the hills here aren't that big of a deal. Unless you literally commute 20 miles up and down cliffs--both ways--lighten up, Francis, and take some time off until you no longer need to swing the e-peen so hard. Not every American wakes up in the morning thinking everything's so goddam better just because it happens to be in America.
Gorgeous picture. Wouldn't mind a view like that riding to class.
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#43
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Fortunately, few here have overestimated the levels of your insecurity. What's the deal with insulting an entire group of people you don't even know? What are you trying to prove here? That all cyclists from Kentucky need to look down on Europeans? I'm from KY, and the hills here aren't that big of a deal. Unless you literally commute 20 miles up and down cliffs--both ways--lighten up, Francis, and take some time off until you no longer need to swing the e-peen so hard. Not every American wakes up in the morning thinking everything's so goddam better just because it happens to be in America.
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#44
My commute is just under 3 miles, and I suppose I do plan somewhat. I often ride different bikes to work, so I have to make sure my multi-tool, pump, spare tubes, etc. are on the bike I plan to take. I also usually take my lunch, and I choose which bike to take based on rain, whether I intend to get groceries after work, etc. I don't really wear any special clothes, but if it's raining I take spare clothes and in the winter I wear a rain coat. But other than that I just wear the clothes I work in.
#46
Planning.... hmmm.
I guess I have to make sure I wash clothes at least every three days (3 bibs in rotation). Add air to the tires every other day. That's the extent of it.
I used to check the weather when I woke up, but haven't done that in a long time. I let them talk me into driving a couple of times - which I ALWAYS regretted.
I guess I have to make sure I wash clothes at least every three days (3 bibs in rotation). Add air to the tires every other day. That's the extent of it.
I used to check the weather when I woke up, but haven't done that in a long time. I let them talk me into driving a couple of times - which I ALWAYS regretted.
#47
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i only need to go 4 miles (each way)
- i get up, showered and dressed.
- pack a lunch sometimes, fill up my water bottle, throw everything in my bag (sometimes extra shirt if i am wearing a jersey to work)
- ride to the coffee shop, get a coffee, walk 2 blocks while i drink.
- hop on bike and off to work
Same exact motions as if i was driving, just substitute the walking while drinking coffee to driving.
- i get up, showered and dressed.
- pack a lunch sometimes, fill up my water bottle, throw everything in my bag (sometimes extra shirt if i am wearing a jersey to work)
- ride to the coffee shop, get a coffee, walk 2 blocks while i drink.
- hop on bike and off to work
Same exact motions as if i was driving, just substitute the walking while drinking coffee to driving.
#48
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My commute is about 8.5 miles each way... my preparation includes taking a shower and getting dressed. (Seems like a good idea, right?)
Anyway... I ride in the same clothes I work in, don't do any special packing or anything, so I just go. After a few 120 to 380 mile rides, 8.5 miles just doesn't seem that daunting anymore.
Anyway... I ride in the same clothes I work in, don't do any special packing or anything, so I just go. After a few 120 to 380 mile rides, 8.5 miles just doesn't seem that daunting anymore.
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Yeah, ok. I count my commute as relatively flat and have 3 hills that are at least twice as high (and much steeper) than any of those bridges.

My last job my commute had much more climbing than the current one.
But why snipe at each other? You've got just about an ideal commuting situation... enjoy it.

ps: Oh... and don't forget weather... I've ridden everything from -12F to 105F in the last couple of years... Blizzards, thunderstorms, flash floods, heat waves, hail, you name it.
I hear the weather there tends to be a little nicer.
Maybe I should move there.
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12 kilometer commute is unheard of in your country (and the wife of your future king is not even a national)
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