This article really puts into perspective how to deal with angry drivers
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It happens so often that, over here anyways, the police generally do other investigations in such cases. Mainly to defuse some huge scandal before it even starts.
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Whether that's true or not I think it's a rule worth sticking to - then you get to feel justified .
In case it's not clear, I'm actually defending bending and breaking the rules, providing you don't mess with someone else's rights by interfering with their right of way. As ItsJustMe suggested, that should include being unpredictable.
I think quite a few of the arguments between rule breakers and rule absolutists boil down to arguing about different things. Rule breakers such as me are arguing that it's ok to run a red light if nobody is there, and rule absolutists argue against while thinking of the idiots who blast into busy intersections leaving chaos in their wake. Alternatively, some absolutists truly are absolutists, and we have to agree to disagree.
In case it's not clear, I'm actually defending bending and breaking the rules, providing you don't mess with someone else's rights by interfering with their right of way. As ItsJustMe suggested, that should include being unpredictable.
I think quite a few of the arguments between rule breakers and rule absolutists boil down to arguing about different things. Rule breakers such as me are arguing that it's ok to run a red light if nobody is there, and rule absolutists argue against while thinking of the idiots who blast into busy intersections leaving chaos in their wake. Alternatively, some absolutists truly are absolutists, and we have to agree to disagree.
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I'm suprised nobody commented on how alot of these drivers were cyclists too. To much testastrone. simple as that. just take a deep breath and walk away. something cyclists and drivers can both do. The problem is that drivers have a big metal box they can threaten cyclists with. I dunno i think cars have done some serious damage to society as a whole in the last 100 years if the automobile was any other device it probably would have been banned as being destructive to life.
Total firearms-related deaths in 1998 in US 30,708 (about half of these are suicides)
total motor vehicle deaths in U.S 41,501
puts things in perspective huh?
Total firearms-related deaths in 1998 in US 30,708 (about half of these are suicides)
total motor vehicle deaths in U.S 41,501
puts things in perspective huh?
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I don't understand why many of these cases didn't list "attempted murder" among the charges.
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I don't understand why many of these cases didn't list "attempted murder" among the charges. Is that something you can charge one with?
Either way, it underscores the importance of documenting, and making those calls to the police. So many of us simply leave and stew about being assaulted.
Either way, it underscores the importance of documenting, and making those calls to the police. So many of us simply leave and stew about being assaulted.
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I really liked the fact that the cyclists who thought (incorrectly) that the motorist was at fault were mostly "taking pictures." Talk about the completely correct approach. They were totally wrong about who was at fault, but it didn't matter, because the actions they took were right no matter what the situation. Good on them.
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One person doing something wrong does not in any way justify anyone else doing the same thing. When I jump in the saddle every day, along with having a fun time riding, I try to show that I'm a more conscientious road user than almost any car driver out there.
I think absolute rule following isn't really necessary, but at the same time, I think SOME rules are pretty important. Right of way is absolute. If there's traffic present at all, and there's a red, there simply isn't any excuse for running it. OTOH, if there's no traffic around, well, I personally follow the rules anyway, I'm one of those people who will sit at a red light in the middle of the desert, but I won't care much if I see someone else running a red in the wee hours of the morning with no traffic around.
I think absolute rule following isn't really necessary, but at the same time, I think SOME rules are pretty important. Right of way is absolute. If there's traffic present at all, and there's a red, there simply isn't any excuse for running it. OTOH, if there's no traffic around, well, I personally follow the rules anyway, I'm one of those people who will sit at a red light in the middle of the desert, but I won't care much if I see someone else running a red in the wee hours of the morning with no traffic around.
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Sitting at a red light waiting for no one makes no sense to me, desert or wee morning hours It is "illogical"...
And that is not a knock against you, just my point of view...
And that is not a knock against you, just my point of view...
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Well I have a haard time even pushing my mower the required 450 linear foot to cut my curb line on my yard without getting things thrown at me or a lot of yelling . I have been riding my giant innova (1992)4 miles each way to work for almost three months now and I can fully understand the rage that is out there
against us.If I weren't 6'5 and 210 lbs I think I would have likely been I a fight or 2 . Best part about that is that when they yell at me I pull up into a wheelie and aim away from them and they just can't catch me to even let it go any further. I don't yell back I make trax , they are bound by certain movements in their cars we have a lot more choices on where we ride . I have lights so they can't say they didn't see me,and I am taller than my jeep when I am on my Icy Giant Rocket.....
against us.If I weren't 6'5 and 210 lbs I think I would have likely been I a fight or 2 . Best part about that is that when they yell at me I pull up into a wheelie and aim away from them and they just can't catch me to even let it go any further. I don't yell back I make trax , they are bound by certain movements in their cars we have a lot more choices on where we ride . I have lights so they can't say they didn't see me,and I am taller than my jeep when I am on my Icy Giant Rocket.....
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James Burke did a show on human behavior years ago, and he actually used the red light in the middle of the desert as a demonstration of conditioning; they'd put a red light right there in the sand with probably no other vehicles for a hundred miles, and he talked about how he'd sit there and wait for it to turn green.
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...which, of course, entitles everyone in a motor vehicle to be judge, jury and executioner.
Look, this is very simple, and if they didn't teach it in your driver's ed, they should have. Someone pulls a bonehead move in traffic? You don't get to ram them. You don't get to perform a maneuver calculated to try and get them to crash. You don't get to threaten to kill them. You don't get to use your vehicle or anything in your vehicle or your body as a weapon to dispense summary justice.
"Yeah, but..."
No.
"But he was..."
No.
"But don't you see..."
NO.
End of discussion.
Look, this is very simple, and if they didn't teach it in your driver's ed, they should have. Someone pulls a bonehead move in traffic? You don't get to ram them. You don't get to perform a maneuver calculated to try and get them to crash. You don't get to threaten to kill them. You don't get to use your vehicle or anything in your vehicle or your body as a weapon to dispense summary justice.
"Yeah, but..."
No.
"But he was..."
No.
"But don't you see..."
NO.
End of discussion.
The one thing I read from the article above and hear so often on this forum is when the cyclists think its appropriete for THEM to retaliate when a driver honks or does a bonehead thing. See everyone says that its not right for a driver to get angry and have road rage - and its not! - but some feel its prefectly acceptable to key the car or try to take our their mirrors etc. Thats what irks me.. and thats what doesn't help the whole situation is the feeling of a cyclist being justified with bad behavior because people in cars have bad behavior.
As I've already said - I dont condone psychos in a car or even bonehead mistakes by them - but being an jerk on a bike isnt a remedy.