Look how the cops roll on the MUP in my town
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They should just ride their scooters. Much faster & easier to maneuver. MUPs are non motorized...but when you're getting your ass beat down or when your son/daughter/gf/wife/mother is getting ***** and they call the cops, do you want them to ride at 12mph to them or do you want them to be able to get to them a little faster?
Well, ideally, I want a cop that can ride a bike faster than 12mph - regardless of how they get there.
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The Columbus PD tested those out by putting each of the bike patrol teams on them for a week's roatation. The officer I spoke to wasn't terribly enthusiastic. He said the speed was good, but the lack of suspension beat him up and tired him out more than riding a bile for the whole shift.
Interestingly enough, our MUPS are patrolled by (I think) Parks & Rec rangers, rather than the PD.
Interestingly enough, our MUPS are patrolled by (I think) Parks & Rec rangers, rather than the PD.
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Then they should forget about these - I routinely ride 22-24mph with no effort. I could easily outpace these things.
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I think they could be useful if the law enforcement departments carefully consider the context of where and when.
Of course, the user would be sure to have the needed training and experience -- you will not immediately use them well, especially under adrenaline-pumping situations like an officer could be in. See this link to someone falling off a T3 Motion, probably being overconfident of how easy it is to drive them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjldrPLX7Pg
Of course, the user would be sure to have the needed training and experience -- you will not immediately use them well, especially under adrenaline-pumping situations like an officer could be in. See this link to someone falling off a T3 Motion, probably being overconfident of how easy it is to drive them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjldrPLX7Pg
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That would be nice, unfortunately I don't think that's a prerequisite on most PD applications.
I don't know why they ride their horses on that path. They leave behind A LOT of stuff. For those of you who want to know what the west side MUP in NYC looks like (or how busy it is), check out a video I made last weekend. Fast forward to 2:30 to see the Brooklyn Bridge MUP & 2:35 to see the west side MUP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-WPZOFbESo
Ideally, yes....but in reality, that may be asking too much.
Here are a few pics of the MS bike ride I did 2 weeks ago.



Opps, the pics didn't work, here are the links
https://picasaweb.google.com/Cadd918/...57926334295490
https://picasaweb.google.com/Cadd918/...57975353167378
https://picasaweb.google.com/Cadd918/...58021074374642
And here's a short video of the officers moving along at a blazing speed of....I don't know.....maybe 6.5mph?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ80FdoM7Tk
On the NYC west side MUP you have cops on scooters and horses. And you have park police (wannabes) in golf carts. They're all pretty good about not getting in the way.. except for the horses, they go side by side and take up a lot of room and often leave steamy piles in the path.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-WPZOFbESo
Here are a few pics of the MS bike ride I did 2 weeks ago.
Opps, the pics didn't work, here are the links
https://picasaweb.google.com/Cadd918/...57926334295490
https://picasaweb.google.com/Cadd918/...57975353167378
https://picasaweb.google.com/Cadd918/...58021074374642
And here's a short video of the officers moving along at a blazing speed of....I don't know.....maybe 6.5mph?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ80FdoM7Tk
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The cops on Hollywood blvd ride those things around... on sidewalks crowded with tourists. If they wanted to go fast, they couldn't without risking running over someone. Waste of tax money IMO, they'd be faster on foot... like uncle rico.. Personally, I think they just wanted them to tower over the regular people and intimidate.
Here's a pic (not mine)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/discart...7607344685010/
Here's a pic (not mine)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/discart...7607344685010/
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On a mountain bike? That's great if you can. Not sure how fast and for how long at sustained speeds I can ride my department issued bike. I carry in excess of 35-45 pounds of gear on my person, bullet-proof vest (not proof really, more like resistant to some bullets) duty belt and misc other gear. The bike is also loaded down with various ticket books, tools, medicine kit, foul weather gear, all stuffed into my rack bag, so it's not that easy. I think that these alternate means of transportation that other departments use serve a purpose, otherwise they would not buy them. I personally can use a squad car, segway, PAPV (a 4 wheel motorized motorcycle) or a bicycle. I choose to ride my Trek and don't regret it, although maybe a little in winter 

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I've seen trucks on the MUP at least two or three times here. Once was while I was turning off the road into the path, and I had to swerve into the grass to avoid running into a pickup. Each time I see them, I think of calling the police, even though I never do.
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Here is an AWESOME ARTICLE about a couple of real bike cops in Portland Maine. These guys have one of the best arrest records in the city. They ride 12 months a year through the Maine winter. I've seen them on the streets, and they are great. They show-up at the local co-ops to do flat repair clinics for low income youth development.
Which would you rather have come to your rescue? I think those Segway type of scooters are good for a "visible display" of their presence during parades and such, but for day to day police work... not so practical.

Which would you rather have come to your rescue? I think those Segway type of scooters are good for a "visible display" of their presence during parades and such, but for day to day police work... not so practical.

wow clipless. I wonder how the foot pursuit goes? Isn't it hard to run on those shoes? Especially on ice! Yikes.
If I was going to be a cop I'de want to be one on a bike! That is way cool.
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Kind of like this:
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The police pretty regularly drive cars and suv's down our MUP's... count yourself lucky.
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i was chased down by 4 cops on the large cruiser type moto's on the local mutt. Seems the Sargent sent em after me after I cut through there parking lot where they were preparing to do moto drills (they had yet to start) pretty funny after they chased me down i asked for a draft back to the boss as he wanted to chew my ass for a bit. yadda yadda for your own safety...ya like sending cops screaming down a mutt at 35mph wasnt dangerous haha.
they didnt like the draft idea btw - or the fact that I was pretty casual about the whole thing. He checked my license and accused me of having a out of date address as I was about 30 miles south...nope officer I am on my way to work and yes I have ridden 30miles to get there
glad i got off with a warning after he belittled me for 10min
they didnt like the draft idea btw - or the fact that I was pretty casual about the whole thing. He checked my license and accused me of having a out of date address as I was about 30 miles south...nope officer I am on my way to work and yes I have ridden 30miles to get there

glad i got off with a warning after he belittled me for 10min
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All day, every day? I seriously doubt it.
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On a mountain bike? That's great if you can. Not sure how fast and for how long at sustained speeds I can ride my department issued bike. I carry in excess of 35-45 pounds of gear on my person, bullet-proof vest (not proof really, more like resistant to some bullets) duty belt and misc other gear. The bike is also loaded down with various ticket books, tools, medicine kit, foul weather gear, all stuffed into my rack bag, so it's not that easy. I think that these alternate means of transportation that other departments use serve a purpose, otherwise they would not buy them. I personally can use a squad car, segway, PAPV (a 4 wheel motorized motorcycle) or a bicycle. I choose to ride my Trek and don't regret it, although maybe a little in winter 

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As a bike cop, my opinion is that nothing will replace bikes. Those T-3's look really goofy, and I don't think I'd wanna ride one, but I see them being good for special events held outdoors and such. Nothing beats the efficiency of a bike though. While we do have plenty of weight on us, you get used to it and don't really notice it. Even though we're on bikes all day, we're really not going fast most of the time, if we're just patrolling we have no destination, it's easier to just slow down and pay attention to what's going on. Since we don't go fast during regular patrol, there's plenty of energy left to go all out chasing people. Nobody has ever gotten away from me on foot, and if a car runs, there's still patrol cars around to pickup the chase. Having all that weight on all the time just makes you a stronger rider to compensate, really, how many other people get to train for 8 or 9 hours a day all week. You just can't replace a bike with a car, and you can't replace a car with a bike, or a T-3.
The point is, police bikes are a great tool in the right context, and I'm sure the T-3's would be too, but they can't replace bikes, and I don't think any departments are trying to replace bikes with them, it's a supplement. That being said they do look goofy and I'll keep my bike thank you very much.
The point is, police bikes are a great tool in the right context, and I'm sure the T-3's would be too, but they can't replace bikes, and I don't think any departments are trying to replace bikes with them, it's a supplement. That being said they do look goofy and I'll keep my bike thank you very much.
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The T3 website clearly states that the top speed is 12mph unless it's special ordered - possibly meaning a large portion of these things can't top 12mph.
As for bike speed, I don't see why you'd have to hammer it at 25mph just patrolling. I can average 25mph for a half mile or so on flat ground on a 45lb huffy mtb, and I'm not a very strong person. I don't see why such a low speed chase would last any longer than that.
As for bike speed, I don't see why you'd have to hammer it at 25mph just patrolling. I can average 25mph for a half mile or so on flat ground on a 45lb huffy mtb, and I'm not a very strong person. I don't see why such a low speed chase would last any longer than that.







