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bragi 02-27-09 11:12 PM

After four years of nearly daily commuting, I have yet to overcome my fear of buses. They're big, boxy, take up the whole lane, have big blind spots, and are driven by people with highly variable skill levels and attitudes about bikes. My fear isn't so great that they affect my choice of routes, but every time I get passed a bit too closely by a big bus going a bit too fast, I have to grit my teeth and use the f word.

By far my biggest fear, though, is of car doors suddenly opening in front of me.

LesMcLuffAlot 02-27-09 11:19 PM

Having to get up 20 mins earlier in the morning to ride my bike rather then drive. That scares me.

Schwinnrider 02-28-09 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by mds0725 (Post 8441606)
What about the neighborhood being Jewish makes it scary for commuting?

He probably should have said "Hasidic neighborhood"


http://www.google.com/search?q=hasid...e=utf8&oe=utf8


Apparently the Hasidim are upset that hipster cyclists are riding through their neighborhood in revealing clothing. Well, revealing by Hasidic standards. And they're supposed to be really bad drivers.

mds0725 02-28-09 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Schwinnrider (Post 8442376)
He probably should have said "Hasidic neighborhood"


http://www.google.com/search?q=hasid...e=utf8&oe=utf8


Apparently the Hasidim are upset that hipster cyclists are riding through their neighborhood in revealing clothing. Well, revealing by Hasidic standards. And they're supposed to be really bad drivers.

I understand now. Thanks for the info. Not to get too off-topic, but I think it's worth noting (for people who didn't know that Hassidic neighborhoods raise specific cycling-related issues) that "Jewish" and "Hassidic" are not synonymous.

KitN 02-28-09 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by ibcrewin (Post 8436012)
For me it has to be the potholes once I get into manhattan. The cabs, boxtrucks, even wandering pedestrians were scary when I first started but I'm quickly realizing the gotham city pavement can be really brutal when your running 700x25's.

You must be riding on my route, LOL! :lol:

Severe potholes, massive road construction, road debris that can easily puncture your tires... The list goes on. NYC streets have to be some of the worst in the nation, if not the worst.

Me on a rigid steel frame tiny folding bike. No shocks. No suspension. No balloon tires. I take it like a man and eat potholes for breakfast lunch and dinner but let me tell you they taste horrible! I often lift off the seat but some of the potholes are so deep that the bike literally jumps up to meet my loins in the middle and my crotch officially does not it one bit! :eek:

Today, I'm going to give my loins a break and hit the Hudson Greenway and avoid the streets as much as I can. Potholes be damned! :notamused:

KitN 02-28-09 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Schwinnrider (Post 8440092)
Potholes and road problems are visible and avoidable.

Not necessarily here in NYC. With huge buses, trucks, SUVs, etc directly in front of you blocking advance view of the road, a lot of potholes and road hazards you can't see until you're right up on them. If you can see it then you have two choices: swerve to avoid it and get hit by a car/truck/bus/cab or eat the pothole.

You've got to be able to keep up with traffic on most of our streets so you'd be going at a pretty fast clip making it even more tricky to avoid pothole because they jump up on you and FAST. :twitchy:

Anyway, I already know that I'm going to die under the wheels of a yellow school bus in Williamsburg... I avoid Williamsburg, LOL! :thumb:

Mitchxout 02-28-09 02:02 PM

Bears scare me to death.

noteon 02-28-09 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Schwinnrider (Post 8442376)
Apparently the Hasidim are upset that hipster cyclists are riding through their neighborhood in revealing clothing.

The first few times I went over the Williamsburg Bridge in the morning, I couldn't figure out who all the middle-aged women getting in the way of bike traffic were, walking in pairs in bathrobes with towels on their heads. Finally, aha! Hasidic women taking their morning walks.

Bat22 02-28-09 05:21 PM

I knew about the Hassid vs Hipster thing last summer.
I read about it in the New York Post while my lips were moving.
(Not a New York Times reader):)

BarracksSi 02-28-09 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by lil brown bat (Post 8436192)
The scariest part for me are amateurs. Drivers and peds who are regular commuters know how things go, but occasional visitors -- tourists, people in town on business, whatever -- aren't used to the multi-mode traffic mix, the unpredictability, and the things you need to do to go with the flow. I have no worries riding along Huntingdon next to the Mass Pike offramp and have a bus come off the ramp alongside me -- that driver and I both know what we're doing and we'll sort it all out before the next light. It's the family from Connecticut in town to see the Red Sox that terrify me.

Same here, but with DC-specific cultural and location references. ;)

I'd also whittle it down to tourists and lost people. Tourists sometimes think that streets are made for standing and shooting pictures or that the city is just one giant park. Lost drivers are looking at street signs, not traffic, and they're doing all the wrong things as drivers -- not signaling, turning or stopping suddenly, wandering off-line, etc.

If I rode through different parts of town, I'd probably have different concerns.

Jim from Boston 02-28-09 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by bragi (Post 8441758)
After four years of nearly daily commuting, I have yet to overcome my fear of buses. They're big, boxy, take up the whole lane, have big blind spots, and are driven by people with highly variable skill levels and attitudes about bikes. My fear isn't so great that they affect my choice of routes, but every time I get passed a bit too closely by a big bus going a bit too fast, I have to grit my teeth and use the f word.

By far my biggest fear, though, is of car doors suddenly opening in front of me.

When riding I keep this thought in mind; treat every parked (even stopped) car like a gun and assume it is loaded, with an occupant ready to exit.

See this current thread on the Advocacy and Safety Forum, "Getting Doored - Who's at fault?"

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=510155

I have buses on my route too but they are manageable. The biggest problem I have though, is that since they stop so frequently that I wind up playing leapfrog with them for several miles. Also as I pass them on the left when they are stopped, I have to anticipate discharged passengers walking in front of the bus into my path.

SlimAgainSoon 02-28-09 07:33 PM

A downhill curve, on a greasy, oily road, in the rain. :eek:

KitN 02-28-09 07:59 PM

I almost got a door prize the other day but staying alert saved me. Heavy traffic on my left, parked cars on my right, I'm in the clearly marked bike lane, 3.5 - 4 feet away from parked cars. See a person in a car through the rear window. (I always scan rear windows, side view mirrors, etc.) Start ringing my bell. quickly glance over my shoulder to see if I will get hit if I dodge to avoid a door prize. Yep, I'd get run over. Start hitting my breaks all while ringing my bell. Moron swings door wide open, clearly not looking, all while I'm yelling, ringing my bell like a madwoman and hitting the breaks. It all happened in a matter of a few seconds but luckily I was able to squeeze by and narrowly miss the door prize and/or running over his lard ass. Ugh. :notamused:

rumrunn6 02-28-09 09:38 PM

I saw some crews working on the potholes up here, but we're getting 15" snow by Monday morning so I guess winter isn't quite over. Dam, just when we got to see the grass again ...

apricissimus 03-01-09 12:45 AM


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 8445326)

I have buses on my route too but they are manageable. The biggest problem I have though, is that since they stop so frequently that I wind up playing leapfrog with them for several miles. Also as I pass them on the left when they are stopped, I have to anticipate discharged passengers walking in front of the bus into my path.

I feel like the moment I pass on the left... the left turn signal comes on and the bus is pulling out of the stop again. Seems like it happens every time, grumble...

But hey, at least they signal. Gotta give them credit for that.

tehdely 03-01-09 01:40 AM

I have one high-speed merge across several lanes of traffic on 8th street in SF. Bike lane's on the right side of a one way street, but I need to make a left turn. I have about one block to successfully do it. It gets my heart pumping every time.

rumrunn6 03-01-09 06:22 AM

tehdely
 
tehdely - you have a plan B? One day you may not be able to merge because of traffic conditions.

billew 03-01-09 09:42 AM

I live in a small city and the thing that scares me the most is the Fedx and other delivery trucks usually driven by an impatient young doosh who yells "you're not a car" as he cuts you off.

cooleric1234 03-01-09 10:10 AM

Scariest moments:

1) I once had my front tire get caught in groove on road. Woke up on my back. I look for that now.
2) Riding on a path and seeing a snake almost all the way across the path bathing in the sun. I barely missed him.
3) Going down a big hill at over 40 mph in the dark with no shoulder (taking one of the lanes) and a good amount of traffic.
4) Usual encounters with jerk motorists.
5) Sudden road obstructions that I didn't see coming (there's one pothole that's literally a foot deep around here), tree branches in paths, etc.

noteon 03-01-09 10:25 AM

I actually like buses. No driver's side doors and they run interference in intersections.

Wet metal is the scariest thing I ever have to deal with in the city.

BikeLover1989 03-01-09 07:32 PM

Scariest moments:
1). Potholes
2). Cars passing by INCHES from me
3). Realizing I forgot to re-charge the batteries when my headlight dims
4). Cabbies and bad drivers in general

bugly64 03-01-09 08:09 PM

My scariest moments are realizing I forgot something and I am to far and late to turn around to get it. Also, drivers who turn into me without looking.

gmule 03-02-09 01:05 AM

My fear is coyotes. I like them for the fact that they keep the rabbit population down but somtimes we get pretty close before we see each other in the dark.

Lycc825 03-02-09 01:15 AM


Originally Posted by Catgrrl70 (Post 8437960)
People ask me about this and are usually suprised when I don't say "downtown." Downtown is one of the easiest parts since traffic is "calmed" because of the lights and other traffic. I can zip through, keeping up or passing traffic. The worst part is Marginal Way E during/after a heavy rain. The roadway is in horrible condition and huge puddles form, covering the northbound bike lane and the southbound shoulder. One cannot see where the grates, potholes, cracks, old RR tracks, gravel, car parts, glass, once a computer, bolts, screws, pieces of wood, mudflaps and whatever else is under there. The other day I moved to avoid one of the huge puddles, which then covered up a hole. I hit it so hard I thought I had popped BOTH tires - but nope. Bike made it through ok, and I was lucky I didn't crash in front of the vehicle behind me. Which reminds me I have to complain to the city AGAIN about this route. Oh, and now the Port warned users of this route that we can expect more trucks (18 wheelers) backed up along this roadway starting next week due to new Port ID regulations. Fantastic!

I agree. In Seattle, every single pothole, gutter, etc. gets flooded with water whenever it rains. You never know what's under there. I avoid every metal (manhole, grates, etc.) if I can and sometimes I cant.
Metal + Water + Your Tire = your balls shrivel back up into your body.

noteon 03-02-09 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Lycc825 (Post 8451920)
Metal + Water + Your Tire = your balls shrivel back up into your body.

Even without the water sometimes. One exposed metal ridge and away you go on a magical physics ride.

nahh 03-02-09 08:58 AM

1) getting a flat with only 5 minutes to spare
2) drowsy, texting, breakfast eating, homwork-doing new drivers once i get close to the high school.

yeah, that's about it.

uke 03-07-09 08:06 PM

Motorized vehicles.

ZombieButcher 03-07-09 08:53 PM

Diarrhea

DataJunkie 03-07-09 09:13 PM

Motorize vehicles with diarrhea.

duffer1960 03-07-09 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by Heather H (Post 8436066)
I always thought the scariest part would be cars, but for the most part, I know what the cars are going to do, and they aren't as scary as I thought they'd be.

If all the drivers were as alert as you are, you'd be OK. More than a few, however, are high (tranquilizers=oblivious) or drunk or talking on their cell phone or sick or.... I'm still afraid of the cars.


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