Would you bug out?
#26
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Yeah, I tend to pay close attention to semi horns; truck drivers tend to be pretty with it. Not always, but the average is a lot higher than random folks driving around.
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My mirror has saved me from 5 hit from behinds by 3 distracted drivers, 1 likely DUI and 1 blind driver. I consider my mirror far more important than a helmet.
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No, I hold my line. Doing anything else makes me unpredictable to the driver(s), and by the time any other maneuver is completed the situation is over. In this case the SUV driver is an idiot for trying to pass in this situation.
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The shoulders right now drop off and you can't ride on them. The DOT will add an extra 3' to the road dedicated for cyclists.
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Drivers may think they need to honk to let you know they are behind you. (wrong). Or it could have been the truck letting the SUV know it was not safe to pass.
If they are passing over the center line they should have their turn signals on. Bet he didn't.
Could be that the truck slowed down because he didn't have enough visibility of the road ahead to pass giving sufficient clearance (6' for a commercial vehicle).
I wish bike riders and vehicle drivers were required to pass a written test including bike safety rules when renewing their license (and that bikes operating on streets required an operator's license). It could easily be done online.
If they are passing over the center line they should have their turn signals on. Bet he didn't.
Could be that the truck slowed down because he didn't have enough visibility of the road ahead to pass giving sufficient clearance (6' for a commercial vehicle).
I wish bike riders and vehicle drivers were required to pass a written test including bike safety rules when renewing their license (and that bikes operating on streets required an operator's license). It could easily be done online.
#38
If I'm on a rural road being overtaken by a semi, I get over to the right as far as I reasonably can, and that includes taking any gravel shoulder that doesn't look really gnarly. You never know who may be tailgating the truck--and many drivers are almost as impatient to get around a 'slow' truck as they are to get around a 'slow' bicycle.
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This is probably way out in left field but I've notice where I live that there is almost a pack "instinct" among drivers when they are driving together in the same direction down a 4-lane highway (using two lanes, going one direction, of course). Sometimes as many as 4 or 5 vehicles will ride (at 65+ MPH) for miles within 75 feet of one another (taking up both lanes). When I am driving my car I hate (and try to avoid) getting "traped" in one of these packs. Having a vehicle traveling (at high speed) closely, in front, behind, and to the side of me is distracting and I think it increases the possibility of having a crash. I try to stay at least 50 feet away from the vehicles in front and behind me. Of course I get passed (I usually drive 55 MPH), and sometimes I pass others, but I try to execute the pass quickly and get back in my safe "zone"
...anyway my point is: the pack behavior that I've witnessed would not seem to respond effectively to a surprise encounter with slow-moving vehicle in its path.
...anyway my point is: the pack behavior that I've witnessed would not seem to respond effectively to a surprise encounter with slow-moving vehicle in its path.
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This is probably way out in left field but I've notice where I live that there is almost a pack "instinct" among drivers when they are driving together in the same direction down a 4-lane highway (using two lanes, going one direction, of course). Sometimes as many as 4 or 5 vehicles will ride (at 65+ MPH) for miles within 75 feet of one another (taking up both lanes). When I am driving my car I hate (and try to avoid) getting "trapped" in one of these packs. Having a vehicle traveling (at high speed) closely, in front, behind, and to the side of me is distracting and I think it increases the possibility of having a crash. I try to stay at least 50 feet away from the vehicles in front and behind me. Of course I get passed (I usually drive 55 MPH), and sometimes I pass others, but I try to execute the pass quickly and get back in my safe "zone"
...anyway my point is: the pack behavior that I've witnessed would not seem to respond effectively to a surprise encounter with slow-moving vehicle in its path.
...anyway my point is: the pack behavior that I've witnessed would not seem to respond effectively to a surprise encounter with slow-moving vehicle in its path.
You can watch it on film here, here, and here.
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It's an interesting proposition, but the video does not seem to support your/their theory. That is, are they changing lanes for the cyclist, or the vehicle ahead of the cyclist filming it? I don't see anyone getting in front of the cyclist but behind the vehicle filming.
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Of course the "purist" shoulder-check crowd will be squawking about how they can manage heavy/fast traffic conditions with just their furtive, backward glances.

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It's an interesting proposition, but the video does not seem to support your/their theory. That is, are they changing lanes for the cyclist, or the vehicle ahead of the cyclist filming it? I don't see anyone getting in front of the cyclist but behind the vehicle filming.
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I'm very interested in this technique. Is there a similar technique for 2 lane roads with a solid yellow line (where there is not an extra lane for the car to move into to pass)? What do you do as traffic backs up behind you?
#45
The Mass DOT hasn't been that deligent about the upkeep of these signs, so many of them are missing from the local highways, which means that law isn't that easy to interpret. I still wouldn't ride on most of the highways around here though. Some cagers are nuts and there are too many Rhode Island drivers, who are annually ranked among the worst in the country.
#46
I've never had a problem with semi's when I ride the local rural routes. They're usually better than the average driver regarding giving me enough space.
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In VA, you can ride on any road that does not directly prohibit cycling. Not that you would want to, in many cases, but I think the only things you can't ride on are "limited access" highways or interstates.
on a recent organized ride, we rode on a 60mph road, and climbed the whole time we were on it heading out. so we were sloooow, but traffic seemed courteous since their was many so many bikes. coming back, speeds got up to around 40-45, so we were sorta kinda keeping up...that was a rush but scary.
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If there is not room to safely share and traffic begins building up behind you, then you do what any other slow moving vehicle that is being operated by a courteous driver would do...when it is safe to do so, pull off and let the bottleneck clear, then continue. Repeat as necessary.
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