Here's a good hypothetical question..
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Here's a good hypothetical question..
Ok, I ride 22 miles each way worth of MUP into the office. Rules of the MUP is peds have the primary right of way. I can deal with that.
Who has primary right of way in a designated bike lane though? I spend 3 miles in the dark in the mornings dodging joggers that think the bike lane is their personal running track.. I just want to tell them to GTF on the sidewalk
Who has primary right of way in a designated bike lane though? I spend 3 miles in the dark in the mornings dodging joggers that think the bike lane is their personal running track.. I just want to tell them to GTF on the sidewalk
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Ok, I ride 22 miles each way worth of MUP into the office. Rules of the MUP is peds have the primary right of way. I can deal with that.
Who has primary right of way in a designated bike lane though? I spend 3 miles in the dark in the mornings dodging joggers that think the bike lane is their personal running track.. I just want to tell them to GTF on the sidewalk
Who has primary right of way in a designated bike lane though? I spend 3 miles in the dark in the mornings dodging joggers that think the bike lane is their personal running track.. I just want to tell them to GTF on the sidewalk
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It's not a question of whether they see me coming. They're usually running the opposite direction, ie: facing me. And a couple hundred lumens of light coming at you is hard to miss. Issue is that they frequently refuse to give up the center of the bike lane, forcing me into traffic.
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During daylight hours I try to be polite with a *ding-ding" from a bell.
But after dark...
...when the clueless zombie hoards come out in black clothing and play hands-across-the-path-for-peace.....
.......I have been enjoying blowing them up with my NiteRider headlight set on "Obnoxious Strobe".
If they are walking/running toward me, I nuke them with rave effects until they move the hell over into their lane, then use my hand to cover my light and give them relief. If they are walking away from me I nuke them until they notice their shadows gyrating on the "dance path" in front of them. They always then turn around like "WHAT THE HELL" and get themselves night-blinded real quick. Then they will shuffle/stumble quickly to one side of the path where they belong.
Most folks on foot are doing the right thing, so soon as I notice them I cover the strobe with my hand.
BTW...I just bought a single bulb NiteRider used from a bud because it is so easy to move from bike to bike. Soon as I discovered the strobe I was in love. Light is such a great tactical weapon. The strobe setting is The Bomb!
Not sure how it will work on your bike lanes, but I assure you that you can at least dish out some real discomfort at your discretion. Looking into that strobe REALLY sucks.
But after dark...
...when the clueless zombie hoards come out in black clothing and play hands-across-the-path-for-peace............I have been enjoying blowing them up with my NiteRider headlight set on "Obnoxious Strobe".If they are walking/running toward me, I nuke them with rave effects until they move the hell over into their lane, then use my hand to cover my light and give them relief. If they are walking away from me I nuke them until they notice their shadows gyrating on the "dance path" in front of them. They always then turn around like "WHAT THE HELL" and get themselves night-blinded real quick. Then they will shuffle/stumble quickly to one side of the path where they belong.
Most folks on foot are doing the right thing, so soon as I notice them I cover the strobe with my hand.
BTW...I just bought a single bulb NiteRider used from a bud because it is so easy to move from bike to bike. Soon as I discovered the strobe I was in love. Light is such a great tactical weapon. The strobe setting is The Bomb!
Not sure how it will work on your bike lanes, but I assure you that you can at least dish out some real discomfort at your discretion. Looking into that strobe REALLY sucks.
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It's not a question of whether they see me coming. They're usually running the opposite direction, ie: facing me. And a couple hundred lumens of light coming at you is hard to miss. Issue is that they frequently refuse to give up the center of the bike lane, forcing me into traffic.
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Do what drivers do. Yell "Sidewalk!"
I understand the problem. One pre-dawn jogger insists on running down the center lane of a road I ride on, he has no lights but is chaperoned by a dog off the leash. I've almost hit him twice when I turn onto the road.
I understand the problem. One pre-dawn jogger insists on running down the center lane of a road I ride on, he has no lights but is chaperoned by a dog off the leash. I've almost hit him twice when I turn onto the road.
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As a hypothetical question, the right of way belongs to whoever the law says the right of way belongs to. But you probably knew that before you posted. Were you really asking a hypothetical question about right of way?
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If you are out there at the same time every day, you are probably dealing with the same people over and over. If that's the case, a more productive use of your time would be to ask them, not us, who has right of way. I know, I know... that's not easy; and it's especially tricky to do this in a positive, rather than confrontational, way.
Is there room to go around these people? If it's one jogger at a time, I'd try to go right past 'em without slowing down, yelling 'good morning' as loudly, and as cheerfully, as possible. Okay to scare the **** out of them, but make it sound like you're happy to see them. If it's two joggers side by side, and they make you slow down, you have to say something. Maybe stop right in front of them, so they have to go around you, and say "share the road?" as they pass.
Is there room to go around these people? If it's one jogger at a time, I'd try to go right past 'em without slowing down, yelling 'good morning' as loudly, and as cheerfully, as possible. Okay to scare the **** out of them, but make it sound like you're happy to see them. If it's two joggers side by side, and they make you slow down, you have to say something. Maybe stop right in front of them, so they have to go around you, and say "share the road?" as they pass.
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So what's the actual, legal answer?
10-08-09, 08:09 AM
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You've just answered your own question.
These rules are made for clarity, supposedly so everyone knows what to do and expect.
Stand your ground. Tell them they're in the wrong lane. You don't need to get rude or huffy about it.
These rules are made for clarity, supposedly so everyone knows what to do and expect.
Stand your ground. Tell them they're in the wrong lane. You don't need to get rude or huffy about it.
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I think if you hit one and hurt them it would be your fault reguardless of the fact they did not move over. The onus is on you to ride in a safe and controlled manner. They are peds traveling at a slower rate than you. That said, I used to ride with a guy on the Lake Shore path in very crowded conditions. His motto was " Make sure you're the hammer and not the nail". I can't tell you how many rollerbladers he took out because they refused to move out of the oncoming lane.
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They do that here to.
I used to ride on a road with no sidewalk. Here, the bicycle lane was the only safe place for a ped to walk. I was especially courteous to them here, despite it being a bicycle lane. Would always move into the traffic lane when clear and yield to the peds.
On a road I ride on now, they have a sidewalk, but chose not to use it. So I simply move into the lane of traffic when I see them coming at me and traffic is clear. I have no problems moving around them.
I used to ride on a road with no sidewalk. Here, the bicycle lane was the only safe place for a ped to walk. I was especially courteous to them here, despite it being a bicycle lane. Would always move into the traffic lane when clear and yield to the peds.
On a road I ride on now, they have a sidewalk, but chose not to use it. So I simply move into the lane of traffic when I see them coming at me and traffic is clear. I have no problems moving around them.
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So I found the law for Oregon, I think.
Joggers and police may interpret that differently, but it seems to me that it's saying pedestrians in the roadway must yield to all vehicles, which, in Oregon at least, includes bicycles.
Of course, your local laws may vary.
814.040 Failure to yield to vehicle; penalty. (1) A pedestrian commits the offense of pedestrian failure to yield to a vehicle if the pedestrian does any of the following:
(a) Suddenly leaves a curb or other place of safety and moves into the path of a vehicle that is so close as to constitute an immediate hazard.
(b) Fails to yield the right of way to a vehicle upon a roadway when the pedestrian is crossing the roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection.
(c) Except as otherwise provided under the vehicle code, fails to yield the right of way to all vehicles upon the roadway.
(2) The offense described in this section, pedestrian failure to yield to a vehicle, is a Class D traffic violation. [1983 c.338 §555; 1995 c.383 §84]
(a) Suddenly leaves a curb or other place of safety and moves into the path of a vehicle that is so close as to constitute an immediate hazard.
(b) Fails to yield the right of way to a vehicle upon a roadway when the pedestrian is crossing the roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection.
(c) Except as otherwise provided under the vehicle code, fails to yield the right of way to all vehicles upon the roadway.
(2) The offense described in this section, pedestrian failure to yield to a vehicle, is a Class D traffic violation. [1983 c.338 §555; 1995 c.383 §84]
Of course, your local laws may vary.
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Oh, get over yourselves. Turn your head (or use your mirror, Fred), check traffic, stick your hand out to signal your move, and move over into the traffic lane. Smile, wave, and say "Nice morning to be outside, isn't it?"
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Good grief...have we landed on a bunch of pre-law students?
So... when the unconscious ped is lying in your bike lane with the tire marks on his neck, be sure to cite statute 814.040 to the police officer. It will make his day.
I'm not suggesting plowing into someone. Designated bike lanes are supposed to be pedestrian free. I would suggest politely calling the joggers out for everyone's safety. No need for run-downs, fist fights, attorneys or the police.
So... when the unconscious ped is lying in your bike lane with the tire marks on his neck, be sure to cite statute 814.040 to the police officer. It will make his day.
I'm not suggesting plowing into someone. Designated bike lanes are supposed to be pedestrian free. I would suggest politely calling the joggers out for everyone's safety. No need for run-downs, fist fights, attorneys or the police.