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Originally Posted by Schwinnrider
(Post 13172641)
Let's address your questions one by one---
" Can you brake or shift from the tops or the curves behind the brake hoods?" What do you mean? If I felt the need to brake from the tops, I'd install an inexpensive pair of cyclocross brake levers, and that would be that.With my drops, I can brake from the hoods and the drops, and getting my hand to the brake from the ramp or the top is a matter of a second. Not a big deal. As far as shifting from that position, why? It's not difficult for me to reach down to my barcon and shift. Too much emphasis is placed on the need to shift IMMEDIATELY. Pedal harder. It's good cardio. "How much does it cost to convert to drop bars? New handlebars, new stem, new brake/shift levers." That depends. Nashbar offers a drop bar for $25, and barcons will cost you AT MOST $100. eBay is always a source for cheaper parts. As a matter of fact, there are Ultegra barcons on eBay right now for $60. New stem? Maybe, maybe not. Still, even if you have to do that, it's going to end up cheaper than $275 and will weigh less. "Plus they don't work with most cable-operated disc brakes and definitely no hydraulics." A Google search for "disc brakes with road levers" reveals there are LOTS of people using that combination. What this product does not address is being able to CHANGE HAND POSITION. That's one of the keys to comfort. That's why tourists, who will spend 8 hours a day in the saddle, use either drops or trekking bars overwhelmingly. Being able to move from the tops to the ramp to the hood to the drops allows one's hands to recover. All being able to raise the stem does, IMHO, is rest one's back. But if someone is so uncomfortable they need to raise the bars that high, I think they'll tend to keep the bar in the most comfortable position. |
I appreciate the input from everyone. I learn so much from reading this....Thank you.
From my own experience, (as the inventor, maybe a bit bias) I don't care for drop bars because I do not like to stay in the down position all of the time and I don't like having my hands so close together in the up position. I have used the EZRIDE for over two years now. It does add weight and it is a mechanical device and yes it will cost somewhere between $100-$150. As a sanity check I put my original stem back on occasionally just to see if this "contraption" is worth it. In doing so I continue to find more benefits: When I ride wearing a backpack (laptop), I like to ride higher up. This keeps my back straighter and less "pull" against the straps. Also, the shock absorption feature of the EZRIDE is something that I have grown very use to. I did not realize this until I went back to a solid stem. This may not be for everyone. There is something to be said for keeping things simple and less mechanical. But, if you ride like i ride (in many different conditions) and want to have the ability to adapt to different conditions...this is worth the trade-off. Keep sending your comments... I wonder if the bicycle rental folks would be interested in this? www.jlsdesignworks.com |
Bike Guy, The video got me fired up to buy some Jeff Beck. The stem didn't do much for me. Good luck with it!
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I get it...Old stuff is safe, new ideas take some imagination/risk...After 30 years of mechanical design and 26 patents I understand completely, stay safe my friend.
Originally Posted by WMBIGS
(Post 13175361)
Bike Guy, The video got me fired up to buy some Jeff Beck. The stem didn't do much for me. Good luck with it!
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Have you considered a coil spring to provide height-adjustment force plus an elastomer bumper for shock absorption? It would reduce costs considerably over air cylinders. Better yet, use the same size elastomers as Cane Creek uses for their Thudbuster, which would provide widely available and inexpensive spares. Hate to say it, but if you don't reduce costs as much as possible, a big company can easily come in and undercut you.
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The issue has been ...how to lock it in one place by using only the force of a thumb lever. This led to the clylinders. I am open to any ideas as you are completely correct about pricing. I will check out the Thudbuster. Thanks Jon
Originally Posted by streetstomper
(Post 13176872)
Have you considered a coil spring to provide height-adjustment force plus an elastomer bumper for shock absorption? It would reduce costs considerably over air cylinders. Better yet, use the same size elastomers as Cane Creek uses for their Thudbuster, which would provide widely available and inexpensive spares. Hate to say it, but if you don't reduce costs as much as possible, a big company can easily come in and undercut you.
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Are you interested in trying one of the EZRIDES?
Hello Sixty Fiver,
Would you like to tryout an EZRIDE system and then give us your feedback? Free of charge of course. If so, contact me and I will arrange to send you one. You need a 1.125" diameter fork shaft and a 1" diameter handlebar. An installation video is on my website. It usually takes about five minutes to install. my email is jonlsullivan@hotmail.com and my website www.JLSDESIGNWORKS.com Take Care Jon
Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
(Post 11907651)
I am alway skeptical of new products but this looks rather interesting and if it was well made and remained solidly fixed in place after adjustments I can see it having many practical uses.
I am involved in the bicycle business at many levels, I run a small shop, work in a larger one as a builder, fabricator, and mechanic, and am looking to carry new products at a new location with a focus on local and North American made products. And if you want to see this tested at -30C to see how it works... I can do that. If anything, post up some detailed shots so we can get a better look at this. |
Hello,
I am very interested in this. Where can I buy one? What is the cost? |
Originally Posted by bikeguy55
(Post 13189937)
Hello Sixty Fiver,
Would you like to tryout an EZRIDE system and then give us your feedback? Free of charge of course. If so, contact me and I will arrange to send you one. You need a 1.125" diameter fork shaft and a 1" diameter handlebar. An installation video is on my website. It usually takes about five minutes to install. my email is jonlsullivan@hotmail.com and my website www.JLSDESIGNWORKS.com Take Care Jon |
I saw the Youtube video. Interesting. For $50 I might well consider that.
On the other hand, regarding the video... Did pay Jeff Beck his due royalties for using his music? ;) |
I think it's very interesting but personally I'm not sure what bike I'd have it on, as I'm generally a fan of drops or bar ends - I like having my wrists at those angles and it feels more natural to me (I even do push-ups this way).
Too bulky/heavy for my road bike for which I like the drops enough on (but I agree that when riding more upright I don't always like the narrower grip). I also wouldn't put something so exotic/expensive on my commuter/beater which I have to lock up. The extra 3 lbs or so probably wouldn't be worth it over the relatively short length of my commute, as my commuter is heavy enough already... Maybe if I was a tourer/randonneur I'd consider it though. Weight/bulk wouldn't matter, but comfort would. The extra damping on the wrists/arms would be nice and being able to adjust on the fly would be handy when you're riding so many hours in the day. |
Originally Posted by fietsbob
(Post 11904492)
Get booth space at the Taipei Bike Trade show, Taiwan.
then bring your prototypes and prospectus there. that is where the bicycle industry investment and manufacturing is, that's why so much of it , bike stuff, comes from there. z |
Originally Posted by bikeguy55
(Post 13173023)
I appreciate the input from everyone. I learn so much from reading this....Thank you.
From my own experience, (as the inventor, maybe a bit bias) I don't care for drop bars because I do not like to stay in the down position all of the time and I don't like having my hands so close together in the up position. I have used the EZRIDE for over two years now. It does add weight and it is a mechanical device and yes it will cost somewhere between $100-$150. As a sanity check I put my original stem back on occasionally just to see if this "contraption" is worth it. In doing so I continue to find more benefits: When I ride wearing a backpack (laptop), I like to ride higher up. This keeps my back straighter and less "pull" against the straps. Also, the shock absorption feature of the EZRIDE is something that I have grown very use to. I did not realize this until I went back to a solid stem. This may not be for everyone. There is something to be said for keeping things simple and less mechanical. But, if you ride like i ride (in many different conditions) and want to have the ability to adapt to different conditions...this is worth the trade-off. Keep sending your comments... I wonder if the bicycle rental folks would be interested in this? www.jlsdesignworks.com The engineer geek in me says that is a cool looking toy, I like what you did there... but the commuter in me says no, it doesn't solve a problem that isn't better solved with drop bars. Sorry dude but the added weight, cost, and complexity makes it inferior to drop bars while not provoding any additional functionality over drop bars IMO, but good luck with it. |
Interesting idea. I like the concept, seems like after some iterations it'll be a slick product. Lot sof pinch points and 3lb will be a problem for many cyclists because of the weight weenie factor. I suppose with the amount of carbon fiber flat bar "fitness bikes" being sold there is certainly a market. Just needs to be mass produced and marketed.
Good luck! Nice to see innovation is alive and well in the US! |
CH - The design allows for more positional changes than drop bars.
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Why don't you take this to kickstarter and see if you can get some backing?
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Wow well im fairly new to biking and to this forum and i love them both and i must say that is a wonderful idea.My bike weighs a ton now so whats a few more ponds?i just don't understand this weight thing.For me a Clyde the more weight i lug around the more i hope to lose also with my neck and shoulders problem always tighting up on me it would be wonderful to have the freedom to switch positions on the fly. Any way great job if i see one around and have the extra cash i will for sure give it a try.
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Originally Posted by idc
(Post 13310427)
I think it's very interesting but personally I'm not sure what bike I'd have it on, as I'm generally a fan of drops or bar ends - I like having my wrists at those angles and it feels more natural to me (I even do push-ups this way).
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bike fitter version
In addition to a retail product, if you had a version with a built-in protractor (or digital readout) for the stem angle and perhaps an adjustable length, I could see that product being attractive for bike shops.
Good luck! |
If nobody mentioned it yet, you might check with the CPSC to see what they require for product certification, especially if it can be used on children's bikes. Liability and consumer protection issues often over-ride design and manufacturing issues. Good luck.
Years ago I came up with a series of bicycle trailers but never got to the manufacturing point. Manufacturing cost was one factor, ability to defend the product from competing companies was another big factor and my pockets weren't deep enough to pursue it. |
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